I often find myself having a weird perspective on things, coming to an understanding of issues by piecing together information obliquely, or by going “the long way ’round.” I suppose to some degree, that’s just the nature of the human experience – what, with having limited time and experience to draw from, you can only start to solve some of these puzzled from where you are. But it’s not lost to me how… particularly specific and tangential this lead-in will be.
If you’ve followed me for any length of time, you’ll know I’ve advocated for Orthodoxy many times in the past, as I’ve endeavored to live an Orthodox life myself. Really quickly, for those who don’t know, Orthodoxy is like, one of the oldest Apostolic, Traditional forms of Christianity there is. To the average Westerner, you would think they look like Catholics with funny hats, but the truth is, the East (Orthodoxy) split from the West (Roman Catholicism) in 1054 AD, due to all sorts of Ecumenical disputes.
Quick Church history lesson: you had the Pentarchy during the first millennia of the undivided Church. These were the 5 seats of power from which the Patriarchs of the church ruled – Rome, Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, and Constantinople. These guys were supposed to be “co-equal” in terms of authority, but Rome had a ton of money, and a lot of political power, started committing heresies, and wanted to rule over the other 4 Patriarchs.
The 4 were like, “Hey buddy, sorry, it doesn’t work that way.”
The 1 was like, “Well it does now. You’re all excommunicated.”
And the 4 were like, “Fine, you’re excommunicated, too!”
And the 1 was like, “Yeah, but you still got Saracen hordes to deal with and now you have no money, so enjoy losing your armies!! Pffffffttttbbbbtttt!!!” (That’s a tongue noise).
And the rest is basically a pile of BS history and nonsense. And then lots of Catholics got mad at Rome, too, and decided they were doing things wrong (which, in their defense, they were), and like, 400-600 years later, they all spun off their own Churches (under the guidance of people like Luther and Calvin). But then, some of those guys decided Luther and Calvin were bad, so they spun off. And then others spun off from the spin-off. And some came to American and spun-off. And so on and so forth until here we are, in the modern day, with 45,000+ different Protestant denominations, all equally claiming to know the real truth of God.
In short, the whole situation is a mess. And while I was raised in one of those 45,000 competing Prot denominations, I grew increasingly frustrated with many of the teachings and the conflicts I saw; often feeling like I was taking crazy pills, because it seemed I was the only one who was picking up on these things. So, in my quest for understanding, I figured I’d go back to the roots of it all, and Orthodoxy probably has a better claim than any other group over maintaining original, Biblical teachings and practice. I tried to get onboard with that. I was catechized, baptized, and received into the Orthodox communion a couple years later.
Despite that, my experience within Orthodoxy has been nothing short of absolute suckage. I haven’t been able to integrate into the community, or to maintain the desire to even show up to services for some time. If you ever wanted to see a congregation of the “Frozen chosen,” going through the motions because grandma and grandpa did before them, look no further. I’m not trying to be uncharitable to the actual passionate faithful (of which, there are a handful), and to a certain degree there’s a fair amount of families just trying to raise their kids the right way, but in truth, I don’t see a lot of passion or desire to engage within any Orthodox parish. I see a lot of Ethnic legacies, and pointless traditions carried on because… it’s “tradition.”
And the best way I can put it is… It’s like in Japan, where all these elaborate traditions came about for specific reasons, within specific contexts, but that context no longer exists, and so these elaborate rituals have actually lost meaning. No one knows why they’re there, or why they’re doing thing; they just go through elaborate mimicry. In the meanwhile, everyone tunes out and goes back to “the real world” the second the ritual is over. I’ll tell ya; some of the things some “Orthodox” do or say will have you scratching your head, going… “Wait, I thought you were supposed to be Christian…”
In my limited experience, it’s almost like Prots have all the passion despite maintaining all the wrong practices (and many wrong teachings), and Orthos have all the right practices, teachings… and somehow, none of the passion.
So which is better? And why doesn’t a synthesis exist?
I’m gonna pre-empt a particularly cringe-inducing sayings Prots like to repeat, which… please, for the love of God, I don’t want to hear again: that it’s “about ‘relationship,’ not religion,” dozens of times in the comments.
While the sentiment is alright… You’re absolutely 100% wrong on that point for a multitude of reasons I can’t go into in this article, but it’s also why you have 45,000 competing different denominations, instead of one, unified body. And all of these denominations teach outright heresy in one form or another (which many fail to even realize/understand in the first place, and unwittingly accept). No, really – that bumper sticker doctrine sounds good on the surface, but it’s one of the dumbest, shallowest things ever uttered by Prots. So please, don’t spam up my comments with nonsense like that.
And no appeals to a vague sense of the “Holy Spirit” either. You sound like plebian hippies, minus the happy-tobaccy:
“Just follow the s p i r i t, maaaaaan.”
But I’m not here to knock on Prots today. Like I said, Orthodoxy is faaaaar from perfect.
One of the things I had to struggle with is understanding the modern hierarchy, because the Patriarchate didn’t go anywhere. No, see, it’s been maintained for 2000 years. Some of the Modern Patriarchs include Patriarch Bartholomew in Constantinople:
And Patriarch Kirill in Moscow:
(See what I meant when I said “Catholics” in funny hats)?
There are others, but for my oblique lead-in to this subject, these are the big two.
And they’re both affiliated with the Deep State.
Or… at least… warring factions of the Deep State.
See, Pope Bart up there is a total CIA/Cabal guy. Go dig his name on Wikileaks sometime. He comes up over and over again. He also tends to clash with Kirill.
But before you go thinking Kirill is a good-guy, well… he’s “ex” KGB.
(And is anyone ever really ex-KGB?)
He also has a bit of a thing for worldly wealth. Think expensive watches, and expensive cars.
And you can imagine, that doesn’t fly to well in some of the poorer areas of Russia. Which is why, in this church-issued photograph, they edited out the $40,000 watch he was wearing…
But forgot to edit out its reflection in the table.
Welcome to the wonderful world of Orthodoxy.
Anyway, in my effort to find the true church, all I found was deep-state proxies, and most recently, these two guys, Bart and Kirill, have been at war with each other over Ukraine – to such an extent that it might cause another schism in the Orthodox church – something that hasn’t really happened (to this magnitude) in 1000 years.
Historically… Ukraine has been under Moscow’s jurisdiction – which means Kiev gets its leadership appointed by Moscow. Constantinople made this official in 1686.
Anyway, some guys weren’t cool with that. They wanted to be out from under Moscow… and because Kiev is such a… let’s say important place within Orthodoxy (due to the Kiev caves monastic traditions), they had some ability to “legitimize” those claims.
Anyway, there were two guys who were originally Russian Priests – Patriarch Filaret:
And Metropolitan Macarius:
(And I’ll just say right here… I don’t “get” the hats, either. I just don’t).
Anyway, both were excommunicated by Russia, went on to found two competing “Orthodox” churches – the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church, and the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Kiev Patriarchate)… and basically, these Churches which drew a lot of people from around Ukraine.
But they were schismatics running their own schismatic churches.
And normally, you denounce schismatics, but carry on as normal. And everyone knows and shuns schismatics until they repent, at which point, you figure out a way to re-introduce them back into the life of the church.
That’s what normally happens, anyway.
That didn’t happen here.
No, instead, this guy, Pope Bart-
-went rogue, and unilaterally decided…
“Hey, you know what? I’m gonna recognize the Ukrainian schismatic churches as legit. Welcome to the fold, Filaret and Marcarius!”
So basically, those two schismatic guys got elevated to… essentially, the Orthodox papacy, overnight, because the Patriarch of Constantinople (and thus, head of every single “Greek” church around the entire world) decided to side with them. Meanwhile, every single Russian-headed jurisdiction was furious.
Now… remember, Bart is basically CIA.
Kirill is KGB.
And the Ukraine is essentially the battlefield of this clandestine war between these two factions. There are no real “good guys” here. There are no real “white hats” in this scenario. Just two groups, vying with each other for power.
The context prior to this is that… first you have the (Soros-Funded) Orange Revolution in 2004, between Viktor Yushchenko and Viktor Yanukovych (with Yanukovych being the Kremlin-backed guy, and Yushchenko being the CIA/Soros-backed guy, where Yanukovych originally won, but was accused of massive election fraud – which is when Soros and the CIA swooped in and fomented one of Soros’ “Color Revolutions” – in this case, the Orange Revolution. An international body eventually came in, oversaw a “fair” election, and Yushchenko came out on top this time:
Soros’ foundations were also deeply involved in the 2004 Orange Revolution that brought the corrupt but pro-NATO Viktor Yushchenko into power with his American wife who had been in the US State Department. In 2004 just weeks after Soros’ International Renaissance Foundation had succeeded in getting Viktor Yushchenko as President of Ukraine. Anyone familiar with the history of the Soros Open Society Foundations in Eastern Europe and around the world since the late 1980’s, will know that his supposedly philanthropic “democracy-building” projects in Poland, Russia, or Ukraine in the 1990’s allowed Soros the businessman to literally plunder the former communist countries’ wealth.
Interesting fact about his wife, right? She was born in Chicago, the daughter of Ukrainian immigrants, worked for the Reagan White House, the Treasury, and Poppy Bush, before changing her name from the American “Catherine” to the more Ukrainian “Kateryna,” and marrying Viktor. Potential handler material if you ask me.
Oh, and Putin tried to have Yushchenko poisoned in 2004, causing his skin to break out in a condition known as chloracne:
Sky News Anyway, fast-forward a big. Yanukovych, the Kremlin-backed candidate, finally wins in 2010. And when I say Kremlin-backed, I mean, effectively Russian for all intents and purposes. You want to see what real #RussianCollusion looks like, you look at Ukraine in 2010. Yanukovych didn’t even speak Ukrainian that well. Russian was literally his first language.
Here’s a photo of Putin and Yanukovych from 2013, attending a moleben service together:
(More hats that make their heads look like giant gold onions. I’m sure I just committed a sacrilege of some sort by saying that)…
Oh, and by the way, the guy literally stole ~100 BILLION dollars from Ukrainian citizens:
Toppled ‘mafia’ president cost Ukraine up to $100 billion,…
LONDON (Reuters) – Ukraine’s chief prosecutor has accused Viktor Yanukovich of heading a mafia-style syndicate whose crimes cost the former Soviet republic up to $100 billion and said some of the stolen money was now being used to fund Russian-backed separatists.
The scale of corruption was so unfathomable, it kicked off the 2014 Ukranian revolution, with the people wanting to overthrow the entire government and start again from scratch.
Well, what did Yanukovych do?
He calls up the Kremlin and asks for backup. Russia called it an illegal coup d’etat, sent in the military, and forcibly established an interim government which “conveniently” signs on to EU agreements.
Yanukovych gets ousted in 2014, and now lives in exile in Russia.
But before he does… look who hops a plane and shows up in in Kiev:
Ukraine protests: McCain warns US could act over Russia deal
KIEV, Ukraine – The United States could take “concrete action” against Ukraine if its government cracks down on dissent, Senator John McCain warned Sunday as he addressed thousands of protesters camped on Kiev’s bitterly cold main square.McCain, a leading Republican voice on U.S.
That’s right. Old #NoName himself! And notice the language:
The United States could take “concrete action” against Ukraine if its government cracks down on dissent, Senator John McCain warned Sunday as he addressed thousands of protesters camped on Kiev’s bitterly cold main square.
McCain, a leading Republican voice on U.S. foreign policy, told NBC News that sanctions against Ukraine “would deserve serious consideration” by Congress if Ukraine signed a customs and trade union with Russia instead of entering a trade deal with Europe.
“What would provoke more concrete action is if there is any brutal repression of the demonstrators,” McCain added.
That’s the “concrete code” popping up again here, folks.
Anyway, Yushchenko’s successor ends up being the business oligarch Petro Poroshenko, also known as the “chocolate king.” Poroshenko gets elected as the 5th president of the Ukraine – earning his nickname from the big candy company he owns.
And then, also in 2014, the Russians go and annex Crimea from the Ukraine, giving them more control over the Black Sea (think oil/trade)…
So essentially, what I’m trying to get at here is you have these Church hierarchs waging a strange sort of proxy war against each other, in disputed “Russian” territory, vying for influence/control over the populace.
And in case it isn’t obvious by now, Petro Poroshenko is total #Cabal. Hat tip to Imperator Rex (who we’ll be visiting with in a moment anyway) for bringing this to my attention:
www.intellinews.com Another corruption scandal has broken out around Ukraine’s embattled President Petro Poroshenko, only two weeks away from presidential elections, via a massive leak of hacked files. Under the title “Ukrainian Papers”, the leak contains thousands of documents and correspondence relating to Poroshenko’s offshore business empire, his business partners and political allies Oleg Hladkovskiy and Ihor Kononenko, and their managers Sergii Zaitsev and Dmytro Lytvynets.
The leak comes shortly after a similar leak prompted Poroshenko to dismiss his business partner and deputy head of the National Security and Defence Council Hladkovskiy on March 4. Journalists accused Hladkovskiy of embezzlement from the army, which he denies.
The new leak relates to the president and his inner circle of business partners turned top officials. It also includes the email correspondence of Oleh Liashko, another presidential contender and — sensationally — the promise that the personal email correspondence of Poroshenko and his lieutenants will appear shortly.
So yeah, this guy is another really corrupt Cabal-affiliated politician, but perhaps more savvy than his predecessor.
Which is why his relationship with Patriarch Filaret should raise eyebrows:
President Poroshenko names Patriarch Filaret Hero of Ukraine
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has decided to award Patriarch Filaret (Denysenko) of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (UOC) the title “Hero of Ukraine”, he announced on his official Facebook page. “No level has yet been invented which could measure the contribution of Patriarch Filaret to the fight for our own local church.
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has decided to award Patriarch Filaret (Denysenko) of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (UOC) the title “Hero of Ukraine”, he announced on his official Facebook page.
“No level has yet been invented which could measure the contribution of Patriarch Filaret to the fight for our own local church. He has been and remains the spiritual leader of the Ukrainian church, the spiritual leader of the Ukrainian people. That is why I have decided to grant him the title Hero of Ukraine,” the President wrote.
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“The title Hero of Ukraine is awarded to Filaret for his outstanding historic role in the formation of the independent UOC, his activity aimed at reviving the spirituality of the Ukrainian nation, raising the authority of orthodoxy, and affirming the ideals of mercy and interconfessional agreement,” Poroshenko’s press service wrote.
Get the Latest Ukraine News Today - KyivPost Attendees, including President Petro Poroshenko, gathered on the city’s Sofiivska Square to thank the Istanbul-based Ecumenical Patriarchate for granting approval for Ukraine to establish an independent — or “autocephalous” — Orthodox church.
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Then, on Oct. 11, Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople recognized the legitimacy of the bishops Filaret and Makariy, the leaders of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Kyiv Patriarchate and the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church, respectively.
The two Ukrainian churches spearheaded by Filaret and Makariy — both of whom were in attendance at the mass prayer — are now considered part of the Constantinople Church and not as part of the Russian Church anymore.
Oh, and he’s been here in the US recently, meddling where he could (perhaps because he knows what’s coming down the pike… which, again, we’ll get into in a bit):
Poroshenko, Filaret and Metropolitan Simeon in the USA: a coincidence?
On Monday, September 24, Petro Poroshenko arrived in the United States. The official goal of his visit was participation in the regular session of the UN General Assembly. Besides, “a number of bilateral meetings with world leaders, business circles and leaders of the Ukrainian community in the United States” were announced.
At the end of September, three largest figures arrived simultaneously in the US, who one way or another have to do with the creation of the Single Local Church.
On Monday, September 24, Petro Poroshenko arrived in the United States. The official goal of his visit was participation in the regular session of the UN General Assembly. Besides, “a number of bilateral meetings with world leaders, business circles and leaders of the Ukrainian community in the United States” were announced.
By the “pure coincidence”, two people visited the US at the same time, who are positioned as candidates for the position of the SLC head. This is Metropolitan Simeon (Shostatsky) of Vinnitsia and Bary and UOC KP chief Filaret.
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Each of the above-mentioned persons is somehow connected with the issue of the creation in Ukraine of an ecclesiastic structure called the “Single Local Church”. Two of them are engaged with this project publicly. Petro Poroshenko made a hgh-profile statement on April 20, 2018 that he managed to persuade Patriarch Bartholomew to grant autocephaly to the Ukrainian Church. Since then, the President has been making such statements regularly and, in fact, itemized the issue of the Single Church as the first point of his election program.
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In September 18, [Simeon] met with former US Vice President Joseph Biden. In spite of the fact that Biden openly positions himself as an active propagandist of the LGBT, he awards him with a church order of Prince Vladimir the Great of the II degree.
A little later, Filaret had a meeting with the US Senator from Ohio Robert Portman. Despite the fact that Portman openly positions himself as a lobbyist of gay marriages, Denisenko awards him with exactly the same order – Prince Vladimir of the II degree.
On September 19, Filaret organized a meeting in one of the “think tanks” of the American establishment – the Atlantic Counsil (sic).
(Emphasis mine)
Sounds real fishy, right?
On top of two heads of what is ostensibly the most staunch and traditional form of Christianity awarding those two Cabal clowns literal awards, you’re talking about Filaret literally going to a #Soros-backed org, when he went to the Atlantic Council.
For those who don’t know, the Atlantic Council was the group that slammed Disobedient Media when they exposed the Clintons and Laura Silsby’s child trafficking operation out of Haiti:
George Soros Funded Think Tank Attacks Disobedient Media, William Craddick Over EU Coverage
Via Disobedient Media It took just a few months for Disobedient Media to go from a sleepy news outlet to apparently garnering the attention of multiple power brokers on the global stage.
On February 10th, 2017, an article distributed by the Atlantic Council’s Digital Forensics Lab attacked research published by Disobedient Media concerning the EU and added the Atlantic Council to a line of media houses and other outlets who deny the Wikileaks and Harvard Human Rights Journal supported research collected and published by Disobedient Media exposing the role that the Clintons and Department of State played in helping Laura Silsby and her co-conspirators off the hook after they were caught smuggling children illegally out of Haiti.
The Atlantic Council has accepted donations from funds owned by George Soros and a multitude of other foreign and domestic special interest groups, pushed harmful and imperialistic neoconservative political viewpoints to intellectuals and readers and promoted “black propaganda” now debunked by the intelligence community claiming that Russia was likely to hack the 2016 U.S. Presidential elections, and that Wikileaks is a pawn of the Russian government.
The Atlantic Council has a troubling history of taking money from foreign special interest groups and government agencies in return for pushing propaganda to support various initiatives around the globe. The New York Times has named the Atlantic Council along with the Brookings Institution and the Center for Strategic and International Studies as being think tanks which have made undisclosed “agreements” with foreign governments. The article denounced the Atlantic Council for having “opened a whole new window into an aspect of the influence-buying in Washington that has not previously been exposed.”
In May 2016, a report by the Associated Press identified the Atlantic Council as one of a number of think tanks which had received funding from the Ploughshares Fund. The Ploughshares Fund is financed by George Soros’ Open Society Foundation. A May 5, 2016 article by the New York Times revealed that the Ploughshares Fund was a major player in efforts to sell the Iranian nuclear deal to the American public. The deal has been generally criticized as a foreign policy failure, resulted in the transfer of hundreds of billions of dollars to Iran without any concessions in return and has failed to prevent Iran from continuing to illegally test long range ICBM missiles in violation of both the deal and international sanctions.
Atlantic Council has released a number of glowing reviews of Soros’ “philanthropic” work despite the fact that his Open Society Foundation has recently been expelled from Hungary and is under audit along with affiliated NGO groups in Macedonia due to accusations of meddling in national elections and improperly seeking to influence public opinion.
The Atlantic Council proudly lists a jaw dropping number of various special interest groups, government agencies, foreign governments and well connected, wealthy individual patrons among its donors. Highlights on the list include the foundation of Ukranian oligarch Victor Pinchuk, The Open Society Foundation, the United Arab Emirates, Bahaa Hariri, the billionaire brother of Lebanese prime minister Saad Hariri, Rockefeller Brothers Fund, Inc., NATO, the United States Department of State, Lockheed Martin Corporation and the Turkish Ministry of Energy & National Resources, whose head Berat Albayrak was the subject of leaks released by publishing giant Wikileaks exposing increasing political oppression in Turkey.
The whole article is mind-blowing. Everyone should read it when they get the chance.
Moreover, the Atlantic Council has a partnership with Burisma Group, a Ukrainian natural gas company.
Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden sits on the board at Burisma!
Joe Biden, His Son and the Case Against a Ukrainian Oligarch
WASHINGTON – When Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. traveled to Kiev , Ukraine, on Sunday for a series of meetings with the country’s leaders, one of the issues on his agenda was to encourage a more aggressive fight against Ukraine’s rampant corruption and stronger efforts to rein in the power of its oligarchs.
Oh, but it doesn’t end there:
Did Biden Save This Ukraine Firm Responsible for $1.8B in Missing Aid? His Son is on the Board…
In the last days of the Obama administration, Vice President Joe Biden took a “swan song” trip to Ukraine, a notoriously corrupt country where he had been the administration’s “point person.”
In the last days of the Obama administration, Vice President Joe Biden took a “swan song” trip to Ukraine, a notoriously corrupt country where he had been the administration’s “point person.” On the eve of this trip, the country announced it would end a criminal investigation into a company connected to the loss of $1.8 billion in aid funding — a company whose board of directors included Biden’s son Hunter.
The Biden family’s dealings with this Ukrainian company involved getting one of the country’s most notorious mob bankers, Ihor Kolomoisky, off the U.S. government visa ban list. Under Biden’s leadership, $3 billion in aid went to Ukraine, and his son’s company was implicated in the disappearance of $1.8 billion of that money.
And later, Biden brag to a CFR audience about his Ukrainian strong-arming during another trip (and this is a John Solomon article, so… while it didn’t get the kind of attention it normally does among the QAnon-crowd, I think it’s because we really weren’t aware of the full extent of what was going on here, yet):
Joe Biden’s 2020 Ukrainian nightmare: A closed probe is revived
Two years after leaving office, Joe Biden Joseph (Joe) Robinette Biden Buttigieg says he doubts Sanders can win general election This is the Joe Biden you rarely see Minorities, older adults push Biden to top of 2020 poll MORE couldn’t resist the temptation last year to brag to an audience of foreign policy specialists about the time as vice president that he strong-armed Ukraine into firing its top prosecutor.
Two years after leaving office, Joe Biden couldn’t resist the temptation last year to brag to an audience of foreign policy specialists about the time as vice president that he strong-armed Ukraine into firing its top prosecutor.
In his own words, with video cameras rolling, Biden described how he threatened Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in March 2016 that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, sending the former Soviet republic toward insolvency, if it didn’t immediately fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.
“I said, ‘You’re not getting the billion.’ I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,’” Biden recalled telling Poroshenko.
“Well, son of a bitch, he got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time,” Biden told the Council on Foreign Relations event, insisting that President Obama was in on the threat.
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But Ukrainian officials tell me there was one crucial piece of information that Biden must have known but didn’t mention to his audience: The prosecutor he got fired was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into the natural gas firm Burisma Holdings that employed Biden’s younger son, Hunter, as a board member.
U.S. banking records show Hunter Biden’s American-based firm, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, received regular transfers into one of its accounts — usually more than $166,000 a month — from Burisma from spring 2014 through fall 2015, during a period when Vice President Biden was the main U.S. official dealing with Ukraine and its tense relations with Russia.
Honestly, I’m getting shades of Poppy Bush working for Zapata oil here, more than anything else. But instead of happening in the Gulf of Mexico, this is all happening in former Soviet Satellite states.
Most of the general prosecutor’s investigative work on Burisma focused on three separate cases, and most stopped abruptly once Shokin was fired. The most prominent of the Burisma cases was transferred to a different Ukrainian agency, closely aligned with the U.S. Embassy in Kiev, known as the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU), according to the case file and current General Prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko.
NABU closed that case, and a second case involving alleged improper money transfers in London was dropped when Ukrainian officials failed to file the necessary documents by the required deadline. The general prosecutor’s office successfully secured a multimillion-dollar judgment in a tax evasion case, Lutsenko said. He did not say who was the actual defendant in that case.
As a result, the Biden family appeared to have escaped the potential for an embarrassing inquiry overseas in the final days of the Obama administration and during an election in which Democrat Hillary Clinton was running for president in 2016.
But then, as Biden’s 2020 campaign ramped up over the past year, Lutsenko — the Ukrainian prosecutor that Biden once hailed as a “solid” replacement for Shokin — began looking into what happened with the Burisma case that had been shut down.
Lutsenko told me that, while reviewing the Burisma investigative files, he discovered “members of the Board obtained funds as well as another U.S.-based legal entity, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, for consulting services.”
Lutsenko said some of the evidence he knows about in the Burisma case may interest U.S. authorities and he’d like to present that information to new U.S. Attorney General William Barr, particularly the vice president’s intervention.
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Nazar Kholodnytskyi, the lead anti-corruption prosecutor in Lutsenko’s office, confirmed to me in an interview that part of the Burisma investigation was reopened in 2018, after Joe Biden made his remarks. “We were able to start this case again,” Kholodnytskyi said.
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Between April 2014 and October 2015, more than $3 million was paid out of Burisma accounts to an account linked to Biden’s and Archer’s Rosemont Seneca firm, according to the financial records placed in a federal court file in Manhattan in an unrelated case against Archer.
The bank records show that, on most months when Burisma money flowed, two wire transfers of $83,333.33 each were sent to the Rosemont Seneca–connected account on the same day. The same Rosemont Seneca–linked account typically then would pay Hunter Biden one or more payments ranging from $5,000 to $25,000 each. Prosecutors reviewed internal company documents and wanted to interview Hunter Biden and Archer about why they had received such payments, according to interviews.
(Emphasis mine). Sorry for the lengthy excerpts, but there’s SO much to understand here.
Is the outline of the corruption beginning to get clearer? Because believe me; we’re only just scratching the surface here.
One more “fun fact” about Poroshenko.
He wanted a #NoName Lane in the capital city:
Poroshenko Moves To Rename Street In Kiev After John McCain
Incumbent Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko may have found a super weapon to defeat his main political opponent, comic Volodimir Zelensky, in the second round of the presidential election, which is set to be held later in April. Mr Poroshenko is going to rename a street in the capital of Kiev after John McCain.
That should speak volumes in and of itself.
But during this whole era, from 2014-2015 – guess who pops up in the Ukraine.
Christopher Steele.
Yes, the “author” of the Steele Dossier.
Victoria Nuland, Alexandra Chalupa, Ukrainian Ties & the Steele…
On February 4, 2018, Victoria Nuland, the Assistant Secretary of State in the Obama Administration went on Face the Nation and made the following comment: During the Ukraine crisis in 2014-15, Chris Steele had a number of commercial clients who were asking him for reports on what was going on in…
On February 4, 2018, Victoria Nuland, the Assistant Secretary of State in the Obama Administration went on Face the Nation and made the following comment:
During the Ukraine crisis in 2014-15, Chris Steele had a number of commercial clients who were asking him for reports on what was going on in Russia, what was going on in Ukraine, what was going on between them. Chris had a friend [Jonathan Winer] at the State Department and he offered us that reporting free so that we could also benefit from it. It was one of, you know, hundreds of sources that we were using to try to understand what was going on.
Then, in the middle of July, when he was doing this other work and became concerned, he passed two to four pages of short points of what he was finding and our immediate reaction to that was, this is not in our purview. This needs to go to the FBI if there is any concern here that one candidate or the election as a whole might be influenced by the Russian Federation. That’s something for the FBI to investigate.
Nuland said the State Department received the Dossier directly from Steele in mid-July 2016, whereupon the State Department turned it over to the FBI.
Here’s a video clip of that segment:
Face The Nation on Twitter
Former Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland tells that Christopher Steele, author of the Russia dossier, shared similar information with the State Department: https://t.co/4QS32hAlQq
Where did “Steele” get the bulk of his “oppo-research” from? Well, initially he claimed to have all these private sources, Sources A-F, all with intimidating descriptive titles like, “Source D – a close associate of Trump who had organized and managed his recent trips to Moscow.”
(By the way, I keep putting Steele’s name in quotations of late because I don’t think he, himself, wrote the dossier but rather, it was written by an underling – Ed Baumgartner. Steele then slapped his name on the finished dossier to give it more credibility as a source).
Steele later admitted to using random user-generated content he found online. And there’s also the distinct possibility he was directly paying people working under the command of the Kremlin, in order to get them to tell him what he wanted to hear. But even with that in mind, that still doesn’t cover everything in his dossier.
This is why I’m sure it’s just a “total coincidence” that a Ukranian-American lawyer working for the DNC by the name of Alexandra Chalupa, had opened up an independent investigation into Paul Manafort as far back as 2014, and that this same info ended up in the Steele Dossier.
Jeff Carlson provides a neat timeline:
2014 (undetermined) -Chalupa begins to investigate Paul Manafort.
Chalupa, a lawyer by training, in 2014 was doing pro bono work for another client interested in the Ukrainian crisis and began researching Manafort’s role in Yanukovych’s rise, as well as his ties to the pro-Russian oligarchs who funded Yanukovych’s political party.
Late 2015 – Chalupa expands her opposition research into Manafort to include Trump’s ties to Russia.
Chalupa told Politico she had developed a network of sources in Kiev and Washington, including investigative journalists, government officials and private intelligence operatives. When Trump’s unlikely presidential campaign began surging in late 2015, she began focusing more on the research, and expanded it to include Trump’s ties to Russia, as well.
She occasionally shared her findings with officials from the DNC and Clinton’s campaign
January 2016 – Chalupa informs a senior DNC official that she feels there is a Russia connection with the Trump Campaign.
Chalupa told a senior DNC official that, when it came to Trump’s campaign, “I felt there was a Russia connection,” Chalupa recalled. “And that, if there was, that we can expect Paul Manafort to be involved in this election,” said Chalupa, who at the time also was warning leaders in the Ukrainian-American community that Manafort was “Putin’s political brain for manipulating U.S. foreign policy and elections.”
March 25 2016 – Chalupa shared her concerns with the Ukrainian Ambassador to the U.S.
She said she shared her concern with Ukraine’s ambassador to the U.S., Valeriy Chaly, and one of his top aides, Oksana Shulyar, during a March 2016 meeting at the Ukrainian Embassy. According to someone briefed on the meeting, Chaly said that Manafort was very much on his radar, but that he wasn’t particularly concerned about the operative’s ties to Trump.
March 29 2016 – Chalupa briefs DNC Communication staff.
The day after Manafort’s hiring was revealed, she briefed the DNC’s communications staff on Manafort, Trump and their ties to Russia, according to an operative familiar with the situation.
A former DNC staffer and the operative familiar with the situation agreed that with the DNC’s encouragement, Chalupa asked embassy staff to try to arrange an interview in which Poroshenko might discuss Manafort’s ties to Yanukovych.
While the embassy declined that request, officials there became “helpful” in Chalupa’s efforts, she said, explaining that she traded information and leads with them.
Chalupa said the embassy also worked directly with reporters researching Trump, Manafort and Russia to point them in the right directions.
So, here’s how it works:
Manafort works closely with corrupt Putin-proxy, Yanukovych.
Ukrainian-American DNC Lawyer Alexandra Chalupa starts investigating Manafort as early as 2014 (This possibly just a pretense/cover for her).
Manafort gets planted into the Trump in 2015 by Tony Podesta.
Oh gee-whiz, look, Chalupa just happens to share her info with the DNC and the Kremlin-aligned Ukrainian government.
The DNC hires Fusion GPS for “opposition research” purposes.
(Remember – Nellie Ohr worked for Fusion GPS, and passed their research on to Bruce Ohr, ADAG at Loretta Lynch’s DOJ at the time).
(Also remember that it’s now come out that Fusion GPS is a CIA front-group).
Wikileaks happens.
The DNC hires Perkins Coie lawyer Michael Sussman.
Michael Sussman hires Crowdstrike to look at the servers and get them to say “The Russians diddit.”
Fusion GPS hires Steele (Orbis).
They come back with the Steele dossier pointing the finger at Manafort!
Steele then leaks info to Michael Iskoff at Yahoo! News, kicking off the Trump-Russia collusion narrative:
U.S. intel officials probe ties between Trump adviser and Kremlin
Carter Page speaks at the graduation ceremony for the New Economic School in Moscow in July. U.S. intelligence officials are seeking to determine whether an American businessman identified by Donald Trump as one of his foreign policy advisers has opened up private communications with senior Russian
This “expose” gives the Obama Admin the ability to issue a FISA against another plant in the Trump campaign, Carter Page.
In the meantime, Iskoff is attending upscale conferences with Fusion GPS and a friend of Christopher Steele’s, Jonathan Winer.
The Page FISA triggers spying on George Papadopoulous…
WHO IS SIMULTANEOUSLY BEING SET UP BY FBI/UK/AUS/Kremlin-aligned #DeepState forces in the form of Mifsud and Downer:
What a profound series of coincidences!
Oh, and McCain is meddling in all this as well. Read the whole stunning article for more on that.
And Aledandra Chalup is the “lead domino” in all this, it seems. Here’s Chalupa’s profile on twitter:
Along with a very odd, pinned tweet she has up there:
Uh…huh. Sounds like code to me, but I’m only a layman.
The Epoch Times would go on to add this to her stub on their big, famous Spygate Infographic.
Perennial good-guy, Sen. Chuck Grassley would send a letter to Rod Rosenstein in 2017 regarding Chalup’s activities as possible FARA violations:
Click to access 2017-07-20-CEG-to-DOJ-Ukraine-DNC-FARA.pdf
According to news reports, during the 2016 presidential election, “Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump” and did so by “disseminat[ing] documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter.
At the center of this plan was Alexandra Chalupa, described by reports as a Ukrainian-American operative “who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee” and reportedly met with Ukrainian officials during the presidential election for the express purpose of exposing alleged ties between then-candidate Donald Trump, Paul Manafort, and Russia.
Chalupa’s actions appear to show that she was simultaneously working on behalf of a foreign government, Ukraine, and on behalf of the DNC and Clinton campaign, in an effort to influence not only the U.S voting population but U.S. government officials.
Aside from the apparent evidence of collusion between the DNC, Clinton campaign, and Ukrainian government, Chalupa’s actions implicate the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA).
Chalupa reportedly worked directly with Ukrainian government officials to benefit Ukraine, lobbying Congress on behalf of Ukraine, and worked to undermine the Trump campaign on behalf of Ukraine and the Clinton campaign.
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Aside from the apparent evidence of collusion between the DNC, Clinton campaign, and Ukrainian government, Chalupa’s actions implicate the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA). As you know, the Committee is planning a hearing on FARA enforcement. Given the public reporting of these activities in support of a foreign government, it is imperative that the Justice Department explain why she has not been required to register under FARA.…According to documents provided to the Committee, the Justice Department required the Podesta Group and Mercury LLC to register under FARA for working on behalf of the Ukrainian government. Their registration was required even though the client, the European Centre for the Modern Ukraine (ECFMU), wrote a letter saying it was not directly or indirectly controlled by the Ukrainian government. That did not matter to the Justice Department because their lobbying activity was not to “benefit commercial interests” of the ECFMU but instead to promote the political or public interests of a foreign government or foreign political party.” The Justice Department made clear that an individual acting in the political or public interests of a foreign government must register under FARA. As such, because Podesta and Mercury were effectively working on behalf of Ukrainian government interests, they were required to register. Unlike that situation where the Podesta Group and Mercury LLC worked for the middleman (EFCMU) and not the Ukrainian government, here Chalupa reportedly worked directly with Ukrainian government officials to benefit Ukraine, lobbying Congress on behalf of Ukraine, and worked to undermine the Trump campaign on behalf of Ukraine and the Clinton campaign.
I don’t know if I can summarize how huge this link is, but let me try:
If it can be proven that Chalupa ever met with Steele (or an intermediary), well… it’s check-mate for Trump against HRC and the DNC.
The reason there are so many FARA violations in all this is precisely because, as #QAnon has said time and time again – they never expected her to lose. Moreover – if they had filed the appropriate FARA paperwork, it would have exposed many of these relationships which are only just now coming to light. The less paperwork, the better, they figured. Trump would lose and afterwards, Cabal powers would become entrenched, making all these “little” paperwork problems conveniently disappear.
But Trump didn’t lose. The Cabal did. And with that, they suffered a catastrophic loss of control. And they didn’t realize how much Team Trump already knew.
I now believe that this is EXACTLY the kind of connection Team Trump is now trying to expose.
Why do I think this?
Jeff Carlson once again fills in some of the blanks for us:
Victor Pinchuk, the Clintons & Endless Connections
I wrote on the role of Alexandra Chalupa – a Ukrainian-American DNC operative – who appears at the center of the DNC’s construction of information used in the Steele Dossier. The role of former Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland in disseminating the Dossier – along with her involvement…
I wrote on the role of Alexandra Chalupa – a Ukrainian-American DNC operative – who appears at the center of the DNC’s construction of information used in the Steele Dossier.
The role of former Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland in disseminating the Dossier – along with her involvement in shaping Ukraine – was also discussed.
The name Victor Pinchuk was mentioned.
Victor Pinchuk is a Ukrainian billionaire.
He is the founder of Interpipe, a steel pipe manufacturer. He also owns Credit Dnipro Bank, some ferroalloy plants and a media empire.
He is married to Elena Pinchuk, the daughter of former Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma.
Here’s the Clinton Connection:
On April 4 through April 12 2016, Ukrainian Parliamentarian Olga Bielkov had four meetings – with Samuel Charap (International Institute for Strategic Studies), Liz Zentos (National Security Council), Michael Kimmage (State Dept) and David Kramer (McCain Institute).
Doug Schoen filed FARA documents showing that he was paid $40,000 a month by Victor Pinchuk (page 5) – in part to arrange these meetings.
Schoen attempted to arrange another 72 meetings with Congressmen and media (page 10). It is unknown how many meetings took place.
Schoen has worked for both Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Schoen helped Pinchuk establish ties with the Clinton Foundation. The Wall Street Journal reported how Schoen connected Pinchuk with senior Clinton State Department staffers in order to pressure former Ukrainian President Yanukovych to release Yulia Tymoshenko – a political rival of Yanukovych – from jail.
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Although exact numbers are not clear, reports filed by the Clinton Foundation indicate that as much as $25 million of Pinchuk’s “charitable donations” went to the Clinton organization.
From a New York Times article:
Victor Pinchuk, a steel magnate whose father-in-law, Leonid Kuchma, was president of Ukraine from 1994 to 2005, has directed between $10 million and $25 million to the foundation. He has lent his private plane to the Clintons and traveled to Los Angeles in 2011 to attend Mr. Clinton’s star-studded 65th birthday celebration.
And to bring it back around…
In addition to being a Clinton Foundation donor, Pinchuk is also on the International Advisory Board of the Atlantic Counsel – an NATO-aligned American think tank specializing in the field of international affairs.
Pinchuk’s fellow Advisory Board members are industry leaders and former heads of state.
Their Board of Directors list is equally – if not more – impressive.
The Atlantic Counsel has been historically active in Ukraine through their Ukraine in Europe Initiative. More recently, on January 19, 2017, the Atlantic Counsel announced a partnership with Ukrainian natural gas company Burisma Group.
Hunter Biden, former VP Joe Biden’s son, sits on Burisma’s board.
There it is again, the Atlantic Council.
The Atlantic Council, along with the Brookings Institute and the Center for Strategic and International Studies, were the subject of an unflattering portrayal in a New York Times article, Foreign Powers Buy Influence at Think Tanks:
More than a dozen prominent Washington research groups have received tens of millions of dollars from foreign governments in recent years while pushing United States government officials to adopt policies that often reflect the donors’ priorities, an investigation by The New York Times has found.
The think tanks do not disclose the terms of the agreements they have reached with foreign governments. And they have not registered with the United States government as representatives of the donor countries, an omission that appears, in some cases, to be a violation of federal law.
As a result, policy makers who rely on think tanks are often unaware of the role of foreign governments in funding the research.
The arrangements involve Washington’s most influential think tanks, including the Brookings Institution, the Center for Strategic and International Studies, and the Atlantic Council.
Each is a major recipient of overseas funds, producing policy papers, hosting forums and organizing private briefings for senior United States government officials that typically align with the foreign governments’ agendas.
Oh, but it gets better.
Carlson brilliantly exposes who is at the heart of the Atlantic Council. You’re not gonna believe this.
Dimitry Alperovich – the CEO of Crowdstrike that “investigated” the hacking of the DNC’s servers is a Non-Resident Senior Fellow at Atlantic. The FBI was refused access to independently examine the DNC servers. Interestingly, Alperovich’s bio appears to have been disabled.
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James Clapper – Obama’s Director of National Intelligence, serves on the Atlantic Council’s International Advisory Board. Clapper was the architect of the report on Russian Election Interference – Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent U.S. Elections.
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Evelyn Farkas – who famously disclosed the plan to disseminate information gathered on President Trump, is a Non-Resident Senior Fellow at Atlantic. Farkas served as Obama’s Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Russia/Ukraine/Eurasia.
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Irena Chalupa – does not appear to be related to Alexandra Chalupa (I’ve been unable to confirm and have seen conflicting reports) – is a Non-Resident Fellow at Atlantic. Irena Chalupa is also a senior correspondent at Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty. She is a former Director of the Ukrainian National Information Service (UNIS) – the Ukrainian Congress Committee of America’s Washington public affairs bureau.
WOW MORE STAGGERING COINCIDENCES! The Atlantic Counsel is a Clown op dressed up as a Think Tank.
But what does that have to do with exposure by Team Trump and Q?
Two words. Or first names rather:
Greg Craig.
J Michael Waller unpacked some of the unbelievable history here, showing how far back some of this stuff really goes, starting with the relationship between Greg Craig and Ted Kennedy. The link to the thread is followed by screencaps of the whole thread, for archival purposes:
J Michael Waller on Twitter
1) #GregoryCraig was Obama’s White House Counsel. He was recently indicted for crimes relating to his Ukraine work with #PaulManafort. Now is a good time to look at Craig’s career after he helped would-be Reagan assassin John Hinckley get off on an insanity plea.
Brian Cates had this to add:
Brian Cates on Twitter
Thread by somebody who knows what he’s talking about. Walks the reader thru [with some links] how Ted Kennedy & Greg Craig were key players in kickstarting what has become the modern day DC foreign bribery industry: https://t.co/a3QksD6jZR
Are you following this?
Have you wondered how these gutter-trash media outlets have somehow managed to stay solvent all this time, despite falling readership and dramatically increased competition from user-generated content?
Well, you just got your answer.
Cates continues:
Astounding, is it not?
Journalists everywhere will be going down because of FARA violations. Heck, you’ll probably see some outright treason charges as a result of this. How many sealed indictments have journos’ names on them right now, just waiting to be unsealed?
Ben Collins, do you care to comment?
Will Sommer, are you ready to face the music?
Jared Holt…
Just kidding, you don’t even qualify as a #FakeNews journalist. You’re just a vindictive little snotrocket shot from the depths of Soros’ Satanic sinuses.
Okay, but apart from exposing a network, a nexus of corrupt, why did I give you that big Ukrainian history lesson?
Because something is happening in the Ukraine… and I suspect Q-team has a lot to do with it.
Poroshenko just got beaten by a “Ukrainian Trump” in a Presidential election.
And it wasn’t like a narrow victory, either. It was a “populist” landslide winning, 73 to 24.
(Methinks Ukraine had a biiiiiiiit of help with their election integrity this go-round).
This is, of course why, as Rex will point out in a minute, the media keeps deriding him as a “comedian.”
As comedian eyes presidency, Ukraine braces for uncertain future
Ukraine readied Saturday for a change in leadership as a young comedian appeared set to crush his incumbent rival in presidential polls, delivering a stinging rebuke to the old elite.
REX (@[email protected])
1. Get to know this name : Vlodymyr Zelensky, just elected as Ukraine’s new President. A total outsider from the entertainment industry, voted in on a wave of populist support. The FakeNews snobs are all referring to him as the Ukrainian Trump – a ‘comedian’ with ‘no experience’ and ‘no policies.’
Just a quick update for Rex here.
Joe Biden is set to announce his candidacy tomorrow.
I hear he’ll be wearing his “brown trousers” while standing at the podium, though.
Okay, back to Rex:
He’s right. Zelensky certainly does have his work cut out for him. But if this is what he’s leading with, it looks like he’s ready to step up to the plate:
Ukraine president-elect calls for sanctions against Russia
Vladimir Putin signed decree aimed at residents of unrecognised Donetsk and Lugansk republics Regions broke from Ukraine in 2014 and are governed by Moscow-backed rebels Residents will be entitled to receive Russian passport within three months Mr Zelensky branded Russia an ‘aggressor state’ as he called for sanctions Ukraine’s president-elect Volodymyr Zelensky urged more international sanctions against Russia after Moscow made it easier for people living in eastern Ukraine’s separatist territories to obtain Russian passports.
Even the IMF seems to be turning the screws against the guy:
Ukraine Enters Uncharted Waters After Comedian Wins Presidency
KIEV – Ukraine entered uncharted political waters on Monday after near final results showed a comedian with no political experience and few detailed policies had dramatically upended the status quo and won the country’s presidential election by a landslide.
Critics accuse the president-elect of having an excessively close relationship with powerful oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky, whose TV channel broadcasts his comedy shows.
Zelenskiy has promised not to be unduly influenced by Kolomoisky. But the fate of PrivatBank, Ukraine’s largest lender which was nationalized in 2016, is set to be one of the earliest and most important tests of that pledge.
The government wrested PrivatBank from Kolomoisky as part of a clean-up of the banking system backed by the IMF. However, a Kiev court ruled last week that the change of ownership was illegal.
Zelenskiy has repeatedly denied he would seek to hand PrivatBank back to Kolomoisky if elected, or help the businessman win compensation for the ownership change.
The IMF will also be watching closely to see if Zelenskiy will allow gas prices to rise to market levels. That is a politically sensitive issue and one Zelenskiy has been vague about.
So, basically, the big banks in Ukraine were “Nationalized” in 2016 as part of the ongoing crisis, and ostensibly to “fight corruption.”
Of course, these make the big banks defacto Rothschild banks, and given how much has been stolen by corrupt Ukrainian leaders, we can assume this was more about keeping those dark money channels open for the big politicians, than it was about fighting any kind of corruption.
And of course, as part of this deal came “tariffs” on the little man.
Essentially, in the wake of the crisis, the nation was facing an impending debt crisis as well. So the leaders – who were busy extracting hundreds of billions for themselves – went to the IMF and secured a 3.9 billion dollar bailout loan… in exchange for a set of increasing tariffs on gasoline.
That’s right.
The Criminals padded their wallets, sold their nation out, and mired them in debt and misery, all for an unnecessary bailout that the nation wouldn’t need, had they not had criminals in charge.
Anyway, the loan comes in installments. The first 1.4 billion was delivered after Ukraine raise its gas prices 23%.
The second is supposed to arrive in May, following another 15% raise.
But now, as far as I can tell, it looks like they’re trying to sabotage Zelensky before he’s even in office by LOWERING gas prices, decreasing the cost of gasoline by 3.4 percent, instead of raising it by that 15% they promised.
This is what debt slavery looks like on an international scale.
And none of this would even exist, but for the previous crooks in office!
The kicker: One of those guys who got screwed by his bank being nationalized was the same guy who put Zelensky on TV for so many years. And the courts there in the Ukraine just ruled that the seizure of his bank was illegal. So it’s safe to say the tide may be turning in Ukraine.
And about Kolomoisky, the TV oligarch who broadcast Zelensky’s show… I’m getting real Sheldon Adelson vibes from him, because at the very least, he’s been opposing the right people:
Get the Latest Ukraine News Today - KyivPost Other than fellow oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky, with whom he has feuded, Pinchuk maintains working relationships with other oligarchs and top politicians, including Kuchma’s three successors – Viktor Yushchenko (2005-2010), Viktor Yanukovych (2010-2014) and incumbent Petro Poroshenko.
Pinchuk was the guy we talked about earlier, affiliated with the Clinton Foundation. If Kolomoisky was opposing him, well… I’m not going to declare anyone a “good guy” or a “white hat” in all this, but, as the saying goes… the enemy of my enemy…
At any rate, it looks like Ukraine may finally have a chance here with their new President-elect, embattled though he may be, already:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2019/04/24/ukraines-funny-president-may-have-to-wait-until-october-to-lead/#cbfb35b78e21
“The question now is does he carry through with the IMF? Can he tackle corruption as promised? Can he resolve the crisis with Russia in the eastern provinces? All of this depends on who he appoints to his cabinet and what happens in October,” Truman says.
The IMF isn’t going away. It was never even up for debate during the campaign, so international funding—and its consequences (privatization, lower subsidies)—is not going to come up for a referendum vote under President Zelenskiy.
Russia has been silent on Zelenskiy’s win, saying that Vladimir Putin would talk to him only after his inauguration for some reason. The two countries have been battling each other since 2014.
Washington has invested a great deal in the Ukraine relationship and given that Congress views Kiev as the front line against Russia, it is likely that Trump will be sure to make friends with the TV star sooner rather than later. Trump phoned Zelenskiy on Sunday, beating Putin to the punch. Zelenskiy will probably come to Washington before he goes to Moscow.
Zelensky needed a lifeline.
How much you want to bet Trump is that lifeline?
All he has to do now, is have his party win a majority of seats in Parliament in October, and he’ll be able to set to work on his anti-corruption agenda.
Something tells me he’ll have quite a bit of help on that front, too.
But do you really think Trump is going to walk away from all this, empty-handed?
No, Trump tweeted this out this morning:
Why did he tweet this out? (Apart from trying to inform the normies).
He did it because the origins of the Steele Dossier and the real Russian Collusion are about to go mainstream:
Stunning: European Reporter Reveals Trump-Russia-Collusion Hoax Has Its Origins with Soros-Funded Ukrainian Activist Group
The Russiagate affair began with documents released by groups funded by billionaire activist George Soros, it now emerges. Now it is clear that under Barack Obama, the U.S. Embassy in Kiev worked closely with Soros-related groups to compile opposition research on the Trump campaign. Guest post by Collin McMahon Several U.S.
The Ukraine Crisis Media Center was founded in March 2014 by the Ukraine government and George Soros’ International Renaissance Foundation to give reporting on the Ukraine conflict the ‘correct’ spin. Soros has founded media lobby groups all over the world modeled on Media Matters for American, which he founded with John Podesta after the Lewinsky scandal nearly brought down Bill Clinton.
Leshenko provided this info to Clinton campaign staffer Alexandra Chalupa, as Epoch Times reports, who then passed this info on to Yahoo News reporter Michael Isikoff. Isikoff broke the story on Yahoo on Aug. 18, 2016, one of the first public mentions of purported “collusion with Russia” by the Trump team. Manafort had to step down as Trump’s campaign manager the next day.
Chalupa also passed the Black Ledger info on to Glenn Simpson at Fusion GPS, who passed them on to staffer Nellie Ohr. Ohr passed the info on to her husband Bruce Ohr, Epoch Times reports. On May 30, 2016, Nellie Ohr sent an email to Bruce Ohr and Justice Department staffers under the subject line “Reported Trove of Documents on Ukrainian Party of Regions’ ‘Black Cashbox.’”
Documentation regarding the Party of Regions’ Black Ledger “has now seemingly found its way to NABU, the Ukrainian National Anti-Corruption Bureau,” the e-mail stated, citing the source for the Black Ledger documents as former First Deputy Head of the Security Service of Ukraine Viktor Trepak.
Bruce Ohr then used this Soros-derived info to begin the Justice Department surveillance of the Trump campaign code-named “Crossfire Hurricane”.
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On April 28, 2016, Chalupa and Isikoff appeared on a panel to discuss their research on Manafort with 68 Ukrainian journalists in a program called the Open World Leadership Center, sponsored by the Library of Congress, which is closely connected to the Soros Foundations.
NABU and the Obama government were working closely with Soros NGO Anti-Corruption Action Centre (AntAC) in Ukraine, as John Solomon reports on The Hill. When Ukrainian prosecutors investigated AntAC over a missing $4.4 million in U.S. funding, they were told to stand down by Obama officials.
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“It turns out AntAC was co-funded by the Obama administration and liberal mega-donor George Soros. And it was collaborating with the FBI agents investigating then-Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort’s business activities with pro-Russian figures in Ukraine”, Solomon writes.
“The implied message to Ukraine’s prosecutors was clear: Don’t target AntAC in the middle of an America presidential election in which Soros was backing Hillary Clinton to succeed another Soros favorite, Barack Obama, Ukrainian officials said.”
Lots of familiar names popping up in that, now, right? That’s why I went to all the trouble of trying to explain it all before. But here’s the real takeaway:
Ukrainian law enforcement officials have tried to share their information on collusion between Obama officials, the Clinton campaign, Soros NGOs and Ukrainian government with the Justice Department, so far unsuccessfully, Solomon writes. Deputy Head of the Prosecutor General’s International Legal Cooperation Department Kostiantyn Kulyk told Solomon: “We were supposed to share this information during a working trip to the United States… However, the [U.S.] ambassador blocked us from obtaining a visa. She didn’t explicitly deny our visa, but also didn’t give it to us.”
That’s (at least part of) what Trump is getting out of all of this. You can bet DOJ officials have already heard all there is to hear, and are using the materials taken from Ukrainian law enforcement to build and bolster the case against Obama and Hillary and all the other Deep State figures involved in this tremendous mess.
But maybe some of you are still wondering… why Ukraine? It’s a small nation. It’s not a superpower. What is it about this place?
Apart from its location related to access to specific resources… it’s also one of the largest hubs of human trafficking on the planet:
In Opinion: Ukraine’s shame-an epidemic of human trafficking
This article first appeared on the Atlantic Council site . Ukraine remains one of Europe’s most notorious sources of human trafficking. Since 1991, more than 160,000 men, women and children have been exploited for labor, sex, forced begging and organ removal, according to a mid-2015 report from the International Organization for Migration (IOM).
Ukraine remains one of Europe’s most notorious sources of human trafficking.
Since 1991, more than 160,000 men, women and children have been exploited for labor, sex, forced begging and organ removal, according to a mid-2015 report from the International Organization for Migration (IOM).
You’ll recall that Ukraine was ranked as a “Tier-2” nation for human trafficking in Rex Tillerson’s State Department report in 2017:
And if you’ve been reading #CDAN for any length of time, you know that the Ukraine figured prominently whenever he talks about elites keeping/trafficking/exploiting underage sex slaves.
Here’s three examples:
With any luck, that will be ending, too.
Ukraine has been a front-line in a proxy war between Deep State factions for a long time now, and its people have suffered tremendously as a result. Their desire to be free is palpable, and they deserve better. Zelensky is a smart man, though he has his work cut out for him. Still, his position has opened up the door to a new alliance with the US, and the possibility of peace and prosperity for his people.
I know this was a long one, guys, but I think you can now see why I went to so much trouble to try and put this all together for you. When Q says this involves the entire world, he isn’t exaggerating, but sadly, sometimes as Americans, we tend to only see ourselves as this isolated unit on the world stage. That’s a very dangerous view, because even if you aren’t interested in world powers, they’ve very much interested in you. And when you work alone, you’re automatically going to be at a disadvantage against those who choose to partner with others in darkness.
This is about more than just the US.
This is about forging a world-wide coalition of Light.
And I think you see just that much more how much more is at stake now, and where at least some our real enemies abide, both domestically and abroad.
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Jeez. All this because I wanted to find the uncucked, original church…
Oh, and before we go, special shout-out to Joe Biden, who just ended his own bloodline by choosing to drag his kids into all this. Smart move there, “Creepy Uncle Joe!”
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Article on Chalupa sisters Alexandra and Andrea. Andrea may be the tie to Steele https://medium.com/@the_war_economy/spygate-part-10-kimberlin-and-the-chalupas-5b5ac679fad2
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Chalupa is not a common name (hispanic or otherwise). I would put money on a direct relation.
Wow….you were not kidding when you said it would take forever to read and digest this article!
Amazing research. Thank you Neon. You just made my $15 a month pledge totally justified.
Neon–There is no uncucked Church…Judas has had his followers till now. You never mentioned the Ukrainian Catholic Church, persecuted often, ‘dissolved’ by Soviets with Russian Ortho complicity. Short article: http://www.nativityukr.org/who_we_are/ukrcc_history.html. The papacy was a thing from Peter on, some evidence: https://www.churchfathers.org/authority-of-the-pope Anyway, what the Prots call a ‘born again experience’ is valid, its as good as it gets in this world, even if most all else they hold is mucked up. Rockin’ article, networks of corruption exist..everywhere. Thanks much..
No doubt the communists were concerned about the lack of control they would have over a a Ukrainian Catholic Church. Look what happened in Poland!
Oh yeah, git Ur ass to Divine Liturgy…its about Jesus, people will always disappoint..
This is absolutely incredible stuff. Explains clearly so many things. Like why Biden got a card at the funeral in December of GHW Bush. It is incredibly complex, but as you say, total checkmate for POTUS against the Cabal. Will this be coming out soon? I am amazed. I was worried when You hadn’t Published in a while–especially after the release of the Mueller Report. This kills the Dems. I cannot wait for what is coming. Thank you NR.
Re church corruption.
At one point Napoleon told the Pope that he could abolish the Church if he wished. At this His Holiness laughed and told the emperor that if in 1800 years the bishops hadn’t brought the Church down, then he had no chance of doing so.
BTW, this latest article is amazing! The world looks different to me now.
“The gates of hell will not prevail against The Church.
I can’t remember where I read it. Maybe here or maybe Anonymous Conservative. Trump’s prison reform bill may be just making space for all the journalists that are going to jail over the next 6 years.
And… this is why the Latter-Day Saints hold so tightly to our assertion that a restoration was necessary.
But you’re not ready to accept that. When you tire of the fruitless search for truth and decide to see past your prejudices, Neon, that’s where you’ll find the answers you’re looking for.
Jesus said that the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church.
Clearly, Michael has not read Springmeier. LDS is a total sham/mind-control cult. On the same tier as Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Mind blowing work! Excellent journalism. Thank you, Neon, for all your diligent perseverance. P.S. It really IS about our relationship with our Father and our acceptance of Yahusha’s sacrifice for the reconciliation, renewal, and refinement of our reborn spirits. “Religion” is man-made and conceived from mankind’s fallen nature. Our Father has had to counter Satan’s corruption of the believers many times with movements like the Reformation and the Orthodox schism. The one true church are those that believe in Him and His atonement for our sins, wherever they be found.
Sigh …
Wow! When it was stated that things exposed could make other countries turn on the US they were not kidding. Thanks for all your hard work and perseverance Neon.
Thank you for your personal history with Othodoxy! IYour “oblique approach” adds an avenue of research that leads to high credibility. I am RC with a jaundiced Vatican view, let alone our American heirarchy. I am left with shocking but not illogical penetration of Satan into Christ’s church, but am now made aware of similar penetrations even into the original schismatics. This seems absolutely top of the line research exposing the new fact that Manafort was a Deep State /HRC plant into the Trump campaign, and I can’t wait to inform my friends and family who will listen… Now I know why the FBI showed up at dawn with special ops army. If you were a white hat agent that wanted to come back alive with a confrontation with a highly placed DS element, what would you do? It may have crossed my mind or some reading triggered it that Manafort was a possible plant, but this is absolutely the first time an airtight case has been made for it that I have seen. Wow, Bat-neonrevolt-man, you sure out did yourself.
Some serious stuff here: https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/24/egyptian-monks-murder-abbot/
Copts are not in Communion with the Orthodox Church.
They have funny hats, too, but aren’t Orthodox.
What an amazing example of true investigative reporting!
One comment about your search for true orthodox Christianity. I too have been on that same journey and have found Dr. Steven Jones at http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.net. I have been reading his prolific work for the last ten years. Sadly I have only found one other friend who has the intellect and interest to even read them. Keep up the good work for us please.
as always a great article. On another note I’d like to ask if anyone is having trouble accessing GAB ? I’ve not been able to for 3 days now. All I get is a blank screen . I can use dissenter to log in but still no GAB. What the hell is going on? HELP needed. I use firefox
No idea what’s going on. Try the typical culprits: clearing your cache.
Also, make sure no adblocker or anything is blocking access to the site.
I have Chrome and for a few weeks now I cannot load the Gab comments, whether or not I’m logged in. Anybody else having this issue?
I tried another local computer and it was fine…
Chrome is spyware trash.
Use Firefox or Brave, at least until Gab releases their own Browser (soon).
it’s about relationship maaaaaaaan.
has anyone looked into Chalupa’s sister in law, Anna Gordita or her brother Rico Enchirito? Just some food for thought.
Christianity does not pass by physical bloodlines (“Apostolic succession”), which is the way of the the Illuminati; it passes by the Word and the Spirit. That’s why you’re getting the runaround in the Orthodox Church. We’ll always get the runaround if we look to Man instead of the Son of man.
God’s true children are united in Christ by his Spirit, and they are characterized by lifelong warfare against Satan.
Let us fight until we are called Home. A crown awaits.
“physical bloodlines”
Let me stop you right there.
That’s not what Apostolic succession is. At all.
God, this Prot ignorance is so frustrating!
It’s literally an anointing and a laying on of hands, as described in the Bible.
Could have taken you two seconds of searching to find this out on your own, but instead you wanted to lecture me (albeit, from a position of ignorance, so it didn’t work): https://orthodoxwiki.org/Apostolic_succession
So true. I am convinced that 98% of what people think they know about The Apostolic Church(es) is based upon misconception, exaggerations, outright lies and slander. People learn this stuff from their Jack Chick comic books.
Thanks for the correction, Neon!
I don’t know what made me think of physical bloodlines when I was long aware of the laying of hands (it’s practiced in my Presbyterian church, as well as by Anglicans and Lutherans)… probably the abuses of the Roman and Orthodox churches made me think that their claims were merely physical and not spiritual. I do not believe that the laying of hands is a reliable gauge of faithfulness to the Word. Neither do I believe that any denomination alone has the keys to the Kingdom, which is a well known claim of Rome. I am not aware that any Orthodox church has made the same claim.
The test of spirituality for Presbyterians is the correspondence of doctrine and practice to the written Word (the inseparability of the Word and the Spirit), and while we have our own traditions, we subject them to this test as well. Luther and Calvin quoted extensively from the early church fathers in their writings, and did not throw out the baby with the bath water.
Sorry for provoking you earlier. I think I have further provoked you. So kick me, I deserve it. 🙂
Giuliani, yesterday morning. “Keep your eyes on Ukraine”… goes on to say there’s real collusion (and corruption) between Americans and Ukraine, where he claims the genesis of “Russian Collusion” all started. Mentions Biden and his son, the demand by Biden for the firing of the Ukraine prosecutor, etc.
It should be queued up at 3:10, where he begins talking about Ukraine:
https://youtu.be/FDtg8z12Q7s
Christianity does not pass by physical bloodlines (“Apostolic succession”); that’s the way of the Illuminati. It passes by the Word and the Spirit. That’s why you got the runaround in the Orthodox church. We’ll always get the runaround when we look to Man instead of the Son of Man.
God’s true children are united in Christ by his Spirit. They are characterized by a lifelong war against the Evil One. Let us fight until we are called Home. A crown awaits.
Wow, you are so good Neon, my brain is about to explode! Can’t wait to hear the jail doors slam!
As somebody who was raised Catholic and now considers himself a Christian/Buddhist without a church, I am very interested in hearing more about what you think are the true Christian teachings. Good work. Keep it up. wwg1wga.
I know, I can hear, literally
Hi-I enjoy reading your research.
I wanted to forward you a primitive baptist site that answers a lot of questions of what is wrong with most churches these days (basically-seminary from what I can tell-men teaching men rather than God teaching men via the preserved Scripture).
After much searching for truth, I found myself joining a humble PB church.
https://theearstohear.blogspot.com
No thanks. I explicitly said this was the kind of thing I didn’t want to hear.
Thanks for the link.
Wow. World class journalism. Bravo, sir!
Amazing work, man. I lost track of time reading this. Can’t wait for the book release!
Quit looking for God outside. Jesus said ‘Heaven is within you’. You are not separate from God. You do not require a Church, in fact you are suppose to pray privately in a closet, not outwardly so other see that you pray. Personally I do not think there is any true representation, on this planet, of God. Just my humble opinion. Enjoyed the document though, great work. Thanks.
Exactly. People use religion as a crutch for their own failings and need to know they are not the only failures, so they assemble..God will take care of everything. If not in this world then in the next. If that’s not a cop-out, I don’t know what is. Which is entirely possible.
I went through the same disillusionment with denominational churches of all stripes, and my conclusion is they are all corrupt/heretical in some ways. The root of the issue seems to be that as soon as you create a hierarchy of humans, politics enters into the mix and everyone starts forgetting Christ is head of the church. One thing the catholic denominations have right is the idea of a universal church, comprised of all who have received the Holy Spirit. But denominations all want you to agree with them or get out, when even members of their own denominations don’t all agree with everything they believe. There’s too much of a desire to lord over Jesus’s flock, rather than walk along side them in humility. I believe most denominations spend more time are worshiping the religion rather than Christ.
Honestly, the best church experiences I’ve had are with groups of believers coming together in houses to share dinner and pray or study the word together. There’s more humility and unity in a more egalitarian environment. Also more tolerance and open minded consideration.
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You lost me at ‘worship the Christ”. Did He not say Do Not Worship Me???
I see Neon and most followers here are seeking the Truth in all things. This is related to Faith. How could it not be when we are the few who have recognized the evil in the world and are fighting it. By doing this, we have “ears to hear”, and can better sense the Truth in our hearts. So… if one wants to find the right church or faith group and asks God for an answer, he will guide you! “Ask and you shall receive!” (There, I didn’t mention the Holy Spirit!)
Why is it that when I log in with WordPress none of my comments appear here?
It looks like they finally showed up. I guess there is a delay for whatever reason.
Thanks, Neon. Appreciated the quick history lesson about the Orthodox Churches. Tends to confirm the impressions and provisional conclusions I’d formed about the Great Schism. For myself, I’ve been unimpressed by the ossified Old Churches, as well as Protestants’ lack of rootedness in any historical tradition (“the Bible, the Bible only” with a blank space until Luther). I’ll spare you and everyone else any journal of my own spiritual journey. The new info of two of the Orthodox Churches being proxies for CIA vs. KGB is nice to know, also.
Very interesting about Manafort. Was always uncertain where he fit in, and even Q was vague about his status. “Plants need watering”? You make it clearer that Manafort was a Deep Plant by the Deep State, his pedigree of loyalty buried far back by one front company after another.
Kolomoisky has been linked to organ trafficking during the Donbass war. Ukrainian government wounded (not rebels and not dead) would be organ harvested in MASH type units, organs into coolers, on to helicopters and off to you know where. Kolomoisky has also been fingered as the actor behind the Malaysian Jet shoot down. All of these bad things happened in his feudal sphere of influence. There are no white hats in Ukraine, just different black hats fighting over the spoils of war and corruption
Thanks for the information, Neon Revolt. i do appreciate the hours you put in for “the normies” to get a handle.
You won’t find an “uncucked church”, by the way.
The various houses of Lady Circe are not there to lead a person to objective truth.
My last comment to you was absolutely misunderstood to a ridiculous degree. Here’s another hint:
Mentalism, correspondence, vibration, polarity, rythym, cause/effect, gender, and CARE. Once you learn what is real (what they know and use against everyone else), your research will be unstoppable.
Second attempt! Fingers crossed!
Check this out for more mind blowing red pills, which I doubt many know since it’s another unbelievable deceitful “secret” of the Illuminati’s strategies. Who exactly were/are the hierarchy of the Vatican/Catholicism. Are they the ones that wrote the Koran a few hundred years after Catholicism was established? Why? Great factual explanation of the connections to ISLAM/occult. You’ll understand more about those funny “hats” too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCmSBfVXEmA&feature=youtu.be&t=12
(Only thing I disagree about is his statement that the real Christians were “keeping the Sabbath”. No, it’s scriptural to worship on Sunday, the “Sabbath” was fulfilled by Christ – but does not negate the other factual stuff he points out)
Note the pope and others pushing “Chrislam” (his official logo for tour) – http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/vatican-officially-releases-chrislam-logo-for-pope-francis-upcoming-servant-of-hope-tour-to-the-muslim-nation-of-morocco/
Re churches – IMO you don’t need “educated” clergy to be able to know what one needs for salvation. You don’t first seek out the “right” church to go to for them to tell you what it is – first, you go to the Bible and read/study yourself…. a NON-Catholic Bible after praying for Holy Spirit guidance. New Testament contains simple statements everyone can understand (like Acts 2:38 for the beginning). Proof for Jesus being who He said He was is in the Old Testament prophecies like Isaiah 52, 53, others which one can easily find. He fulfilled in New Testament, which is easily read. Sins to avoid are listed in the New Testament. Those are not hard to understand at all..
I think too many think it “must be” and depend on other humans they figure must “know” bc of education and such. We don’t need to understand and know all the “mysteries”, like in Revelations, etc. to be “saved”. Just ask where are the scriptures that they use to back up whatever it is they do? You’ll find most of the time they’ve been misinterpreted, twisted, out of context and/or other scriptures do not agree. The rule to remember is that all scriptures must agree on a subject if they are truly from God as we believe. Can’t cherry pick.
Re all the different doctrines, it’s only bc people have not cynically checked out the verses given for that doctrine (as the Bereans did re what the apostles taught – Acts 17), divide over reasons they shouldn’t, etc. They take the easier route to believe bc of “tradition” or they like whatever else which is not scriptural reason, but carnal & not take time to check out themselves.
Many think we are in the days of great apostasy that Jesus warned about. The answer might be we should go “back to the future”. As the early church did, so we go in these end times – house churches. Don’t need “buildings”, priests, etc. Any Christian can baptize & pray for people. The “church” is simply the people that have been redeemed by Jesus Christ.
To be complete, you missed the Christians that were never part of the hierarchies you mentioned, and any hierarchical church is heretical to start with. 😉
Utter, a-historical nonsense.
Um, sorry, but it’s VERY historical. I’m not sure what history books you are reading, but simply read the New Testament. The church described in the NT is NOT hierarchical. I’m disappointed you are so close-minded.
Omg.
The New Testament Canon itself was COMPILED by that hierarchy.
You literally wouldn’t have a scripture to reference if that hierarchy you despise didn’t exist.
Furthermore, the scriptures themselves confirm the existence of what is known as “Holy Tradition.” In 2 Thessalonians 2:15 it says:
“Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which you have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.”
BY WORD. As in SPOKEN WORD.
As in – there is a body of tradition OUTSIDE of the text.
The TEXT itself literally says this.
See, this is why I HATE talking to Prots about this: because since they got rid of the Pope, they automatically assume all authority is bad – and that the only real authority is the “right” reading of Scripture.
This paradigm didn’t exist in Christendom until, like, the 1600’s. It’s new. It’s an a-historical move, and has DRAMATICALLY harmed Christians, world-wide.
Especially because Protestants like… butchered the very Bible they swear to love. They got rid of a bunch of books, called them “Apocrypha” and said they didn’t matter.
Please – there was a reason why I said I didn’t want to talk about it. Because I always end up repeating myself to clueless Prots who don’t know any better, and I REALLY don’t have any patience for it right now.
“All this because I wanted to find the uncucked, original church…”
Are you still interested in finding it?
You seemed to be going in a more or less right direction, but did you go back far enough — did you ask the right questions?
I like questions, because they help people figure out the answers for themselves, instead of just telling or being told.
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“If you’ve followed me for any length of time, you’ll know I’ve advocated for Orthodoxy many times in the past, as I’ve endeavored to live an Orthodox life myself.”
Undoubtedly that is going in the right direction.
I suppose the obvious question would be this: what is the source of Authority for ‘orthodoxy’?
Is it men, and the words of men?
Or is it something else, something higher than man?
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“Really quickly, for those who don’t know, Orthodoxy is like, one of the oldest Apostolic, Traditional forms of Christianity there is.”
I don’t know about things like ‘one of’, which implies there is more than one way — or why Authority should be given according to age, unless you are referring to the first, i.e., the original, the True, that which was confirmed as True by the Apostles when they were still alive, and confirmed by God’s Word ever since.
Is this ‘orthodoxy’ to which you refer as old as the 1st century, when at least some of the Apostles were still alive, and the books of the NT were still being written, up to the time when Revelation was written (circa 95AD)?
Even then, were there not many churches (congregations) which had fallen (or were falling) into error? Were not MOST of the NT books after the four Gospels written — at least in part — to address some error at some particular church congregation, with the resulting correction being an example preserved in Scripture for learning?
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“To the average Westerner, you would think they look like Catholics with funny hats, but the truth is, the East (Orthodoxy) split from the West (Roman Catholicism) in 1054 AD, due to all sorts of Ecumenical disputes.”
We know that the seven churches (congregations) of Asia in Revelation belonged to Christ because He addressed them directly. Of those seven — which were indisputably His — FIVE were involved with error so serious that they were in jeopardy of having their candlesticks removed (see Revelation chapters 2 and 3).
Question: if churches (congregations) in the 1st century were prone to serious error, even when the Apostles were still in the world, how much MORE error must have crept in nearly a thousand years later, by 1054 AD?
Which do you suppose is the more reliable and Authoritative blueprint for the Lord’s church and the faithful and true practice of Christianity?
A) churches in 1054 AD?
or
B) churches in the 1st century, as revealed in Scripture?
Could you not cross-reference the two, to compare what the church in 1054AD (or in 754 AD, or in 354 AD, etc.) was teaching and practicing to what God’s Word actually says, on ANY subject, to see for yourself whether the church in 1054AD (or 754 AD, or 354 AD, etc.) even resembled the true church in the first century?
In other words, the church in 1054 AD had a long history of doctrines, commandments and traditions which they taught and practiced. Could you not do as the Bereans in Acts 17:11 did, and search the Scriptures, comparing what the church of 1054 AD said to what God’s Word says, and see for yourself, whether those things were so?
Here’s a good question: where is the Authority in God’s Word for a separate ‘clergy’ or ‘priestly class’ in Christian worship, or the equivalent of a ‘high priest’?
Clearly there was a separate priestly-class in Judaism, one needed to be a member of the Tribe of Levi to be a priest. Where are the requirements listed to be a priest in Christianity? They are not found anywhere in the New Testament. According to the NT, ALL Christians are priests, a royal priesthood (1 Peter 2:9).
If there is no Authority in God’s Word for any separate clergy or ‘priestly-class’, then it goes without saying that there is no Authority for any special clothing (including funny hats… or white collars…) to distinguish themselves from the rest of the congregation.
Here is another question: what is a “Catholic”, and where is it found in God’s Word?
It isn’t. Jesus never taught Roman Catholicism, and the Apostles never practiced Roman Catholicism, because the religion of Roman Catholicism did not exist in the 1st century.
The Lord’s church certainly existed, it was established in Jerusalem, in the 1st century, on the day of Pentecost, as recorded in Acts chapter 2, and was thriving throughout the known world by the end of the first century — and there was no such religion as Roman Catholicism in the world.
So whatever Roman Catholicism is, it necessarily came AFTER the Lord’s church was already established throughout the known world.
Roman Catholics will say that ‘Catholic’ means ‘universal’. Okay, then what is Roman Universalism, and what does it have to do with Christ or Christianity?
[in like manner, where is the Authority in God’s Word for denominationalism, or Protestantism, for that matter? It is not found…]
If there is no Authority for the religion of Roman Catholicism in God’s Word, then how can there be any Authority for anything which splits off from Roman Catholicism?
These are basic questions with simple answers, but the implications are vast, which is probably why most people never ask them.
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“…due to all sorts of Ecumenical disputes.”
What is an ‘ecumenical dispute’?
What does ‘ecumenical’ mean?
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Ecumenical
adjective
1. general; universal.
2. pertaining to the whole Christian church.
3. promoting or fostering Christian unity throughout the world.
4. of or relating to a movement (ecumenical movement) , especially among Protestant groups since the 1800s, aimed at achieving universal Christian unity and church union through international interdenominational organizations that cooperate on matters of mutual concern.
5. interreligious or interdenominational: an ecumenical marriage.
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Is there any Authority for ‘ecumenism’ in God’s Word, or for anything in that definition above?
We can rule out #5, there is no authority for ‘denominationalism’ or any other kind of division in the Lord’s church, which also rules out ‘interreligious’.
We can rule out #4, insofar as there is no Authority for “Protestantism” anywhere in God’s Word.
Number 3 is interesting, and it relates to #1 and #2.
How can there be UNITY in the Lord’s church?
We can assume that everyone who identifies as ‘Christian’ recognizes the Authority of God, because you can’t follow Christ without knowing Who He is and what He taught, and the only Authoritative source for that information is the Scriptures. It should go without needing to be said that there can be no greater or higher Authority than God — on anything.
We SHOULD be able to assume that everyone who identifies as ‘Christian’ recognizes the Authority of God’s Word. Even the Roman Catholics recognize the 66 books contained in the Bible as Authoritative, but then they include some extra books (the Apocrypha).
So we can assume that nearly everyone (including Roman Catholics) who identifies as ‘Christian’ recognizes the Authority of God’s Word, or at the very least, pays lip service to the idea.
THINK about what that means.
The Scriptures are the ONE source of Authority which EVERYONE (more or less) agrees upon. If God says it, who can deny it? No one, lest they find themselves fighting against God.
And this is the key.
Roman Catholics have the Bible PLUS all sorts of other writings (well beyond the Apocrypha) which they recognize as Authoritative, but which no one else recognizes.
Methodists have the Bible PLUS the Book of Discipline.
Baptists have the Bible PLUS the Standard Baptist Manual.
Presbyterians have the Bible PLUS the Book of Order and the Book of Confessions.
And so on. Every sect, every denomination has their own set of Authoritative doctrines which they follow in ADDITION to the Bible. But nobody else follows anyone else’s additions.
So then, what is the SOURCE of division?
Is it the Scriptures, which everyone (more or less) recognizes as Authoritative?
Or is it all the OTHER books, the additions, written by men, recognized as Authoritative only by the group which wrote them, which are the source of division?
By what Authority does any man add or subtract from God’s Word?
Conversely, how could UNITY be accomplished among all the people of the world who identify as ‘Christian’?
Would it not be to throw OUT all of the doctrines, commandments and traditions of MEN, and for everyone to recognize the sole Authority of God and His Word?
Who could argue against it?
Who would fight it — and why?
Well, who stands to LOSE if that were to ever happen?
Take a look at all those wealthy, powerful men in those funny hats you were talking about… and their equivalents, in Mega-churches and Protestant Churches and every other church of men, regardless of the clothing they wear.
Follow the money. It’s always about power and money, and the people who stand to LOSE power and money are the exact same people who will resist to the UTMOST the unification of the Lord’s church — because if that happened, if everyone adhered to God’s Word, all those men (and women!) would ALL be stripped of their power and their positions.
From the Pope (there is no Authority in God’s Word for a separate ‘priestly class’, much less a Pope) to Cardinals (not Authority for that one either) to Arch Bishops (no Authority for that title either…) to the President of a Synod, to every man (or woman, God forbid!) who holds the title of ‘priest’, or whatever other titles men have given themselves without Authority in God’s Word.
If suddenly the People demanded to follow God’s Word, all of those people in positions of leadership would be stripped of their position and power and access to wealth.
Those whose primary concern is the Lord and His church and his fellow man would welcome it.
Those whose primary concern is about this world, would naturally resist it with every fiber of their being.
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“Quick Church history lesson: you had the Pentarchy during the first millennia of the undivided Church.”
Your history doesn’t go back nearly far enough; you’re starting in the middle of serious corruption, and treating it as if it was pure. Go back farther.
And ask some basic questions.
Where is the Authority for a “Pentarchy” in God’s Word?
If it is not in God’s Word, then by definition, it is of MEN.
Who are we to follow and believe, Men or God?
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“Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.” (Acts 5:29, KJV)
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If there is any context wherein that verse is NOT true and applicable, what might that be?
Another important question is raised by this concept of an ‘undivided church’, because ‘undivided’ is the same as saying ‘unified’, so to what church are you referring in “the first millennia”, the Roman Catholic Church? There is no Authority for the religion of Roman Catholicism, or the entire pattern and structure of the RCC found in Scripture, so whatever the RCC is, and whoever might be unified with it, THEY are not ‘unified’ with the LORD and HIS church.
By definition.
Do you see?
By the early centuries (e.g., 3rd or 4th century on) the ‘church’ to which ‘history’ most often refers was already so corrupted that it was hardly recognizable, if you compare it to the pattern and example for the Lord’s church given in Scripture.
Men make things complicated, but God makes things simple.
Men, especially men of the RCC, would have us believe that they are the ‘unbroken chain’ all the way back to Peter, so no matter how corrupt the RCC is, you’re either ‘in’ their corrupt club, or you can’t be saved.
Where is there any Authority or claim in God’s Word that one particular church (e.g., the church in Rome) would either become the ‘umbrella’ church over all others, OR that the church at Rome would be THE church from which the Lord would NEVER remove their candlestick, no matter how many thousands of little boys they diddled or other heinous acts they committed?
It’s a farce, but due to power and wealth, it has a momentum of its own; and the sheeple do what sheeple always do, they follow, rather than open their Bibles and compare what their church is doing to what God’s Word actually says.
So I don’t know what this “Pentarchy” is, but I don’t need to, because whatever it is, it is of men and not of God.
And men can’t save us.
God can.
So shouldn’t we follow God, rather than men?
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“These were the 5 seats of power from which the Patriarchs of the church ruled – Rome, Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, and Constantinople.”
None of that is in God’s Word. Not by pattern, not by example, not by command. None of it. It is ALL of men.
What is the Biblical example of the Lord’s church as revealed in Scripture?
It’s not complicated.
Each congregation is autonomous, but in fellowship with other faithful autonomous congregations. Each congregation is to choose deacons and elders (a.k.a. bishops) to oversee their congregation, and they have oversight of ONLY the congregation of which they are a member. The qualifications for the position of deacon and elder (a.k.a. bishop) are given in Scripture.
In other words, the churches of men are continually centralizing and concentrating power, but the Lord’s church is DE-CENTRALIZED!
If one congregation goes bad (falls into apostasy), it doesn’t drag any other congregations down with it, because no congregation has any power or Authority over any OTHER congregation.
And the Head of every congregation is Jesus Christ, to Whom the elders are subject just like everyone else, and the members of the congregation are subject to the Authority of the elders (a.k.a. bishops), with the CAVEAT that the elders are leading according to Biblical example.
So here is the pattern:
Highest Authority: God (and His Word, which is what we have to go by in THIS era)
Elders (a.k.a. bishops, chosen by the local congregation, according to the qualifications given in God’s Word)
Deacons (chosen by the local congregation, according to the qualifications given in God’s Word)
Everybody else
Everybody else is subject to the Authority of the Elders (a.k.a. bishops), and the Elders are subject (as are we all) to the Authority of Christ and God, which as a practical matter means God’s Word, i.e., the Scriptures.
And it is the responsibility of “everybody else” to make sure the Elders are doing proper oversight of the congregation according to God’s Word, because if he/they are NOT, then the Elder(s) must be confronted by the local congregation, and if the Elder will not repent, then that Elder must be removed and replaced with someone who DOES follow God’s Word.
Everyone has a responsibility, and no one has Authority over anyone who is not a member of the local congregation.
The membership of the congregation is in fellowship with other FAITHFUL autonomous congregations.
This is the pattern and example in Scripture for the Lord’s church, and how the Lord’s church was in the real world, in the 1st century.
The centralization and consolidation of power (and wealth) is NOT by any Authority from God, it is a corruption of MAN — and whatever flows from that corruption is likewise corrupt, no matter how ‘well intended’ it might have been.
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“These guys were supposed to be “co-equal” in terms of authority,”
According to whom?
Some man?
Because I can’t find anything about this ‘co-equal Pentarchy’ garbage anywhere in God’s Word. It sounds a whole lot more like “The Five Families” of Mafia town, than anything remotely related to God…
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“…but Rome had a ton of money, and a lot of political power, started committing heresies, and wanted to rule over the other 4 Patriarchs.”
Where is the Authority or example of any congregation designated to the accumulating of vast wealth or political power to itself?
Where is the Authority or example in God’s Word for any congregation to exercise any authority or ‘rule over’ any other congregation of God’s people?
Or is it ALL corruption of men?
And if it is corruption of men, then why would you (or I, or anyone else) follow it?
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“The 4 were like, “Hey buddy, sorry, it doesn’t work that way.” The 1 was like, “Well it does now. You’re all excommunicated.”
Where is the Authority or example for this thing you call ‘excommunication’?
It’s not in God’s Word.
The pattern and example in Scripture is to “withdraw” from any member if he or she will not repent, after much effort by the congregation to help them see the error of their ways.
This is the example we have from 1st Corinthians. And we find in 2nd Corinthians that the man stopped seeing his father’s wife, he repented, and Paul instructed the congregation to take him back into the fold, to forgive.
No Elder (a.k.a. bishop) of the church at Ephesus (for example) could ‘withdraw’ from a member of the church at Corinth, because the member of the church at Corinth wasn’t a member of the congregation at Ephesus — they are two separate, autonomous congregations, neither having power or authority over the other, but both subject to the Authority of God. And the Elder(s) at Ephesus CERTAINLY had no Authority to ‘excommunicate’ ANYBODY from God Himself!
Here is a system: centralize power, accumulate wealth and the control that comes with a centralized system, then enforce your will on everyone else. Does that sound like the Lord’s church?
Or does that sound like a church of men (corrupt men)?
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“And the rest is basically a pile of BS history and nonsense.”
Agreed.
But it was basically a pile of BS history and nonsense LONG before the page of history you arbitrarily chose to begin your research from, circa 1054 AD.
It’s as if you started watching the Godfather Trilogy at Part II, without ever watching Part I.
If you want to understand parts II and III, you have to watch (or read) and understand Part I first.
Except in this case, Part I is God’s Word, the Scriptures, and there is NO SEQUEL that was ever authorized (not by God… OR by Francis Ford Coppola!).
God’s Word. Yesterday, today and tomorrow.
There is no ‘sequel’, there is no “and then this happened, so now we do this”.
So if we want to find the Lord’s church, look for a congregation of people who follow God’s Word, just as it is written.
They won’t be wearing any funny hats or ostentatious clothing, or doing any other thing without Authority (book, chapter and verse) in God’s Word. And if you question them, they will WELCOME your questions, and show you (book, chapter and verse) exactly why they teach or practice ANY thing having to do with matters of God.
Some people seem to think this would be very difficult.
It’s not.
It’s actually MUCH easier to only follow God’s Word, than it is to try to keep up with all the countless books and decrees of men, which invariably contradict not only God’s Word, but each other.
The New Testament is not even very long. In my KJV, the NT is only 300 pages.
Contrast that with the MILLIONS of pages, codes, statutes, legislation, decrees, dogmas, creeds, decretal letters, catechisms, proclamations, declarations, etc., etc., etc. which have been written by MEN over the last nearly two thousand years.
THAT’S complicated.
Unimaginably so.
God made it simple.
It is men who make it complicated.
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You reference the Protestant Reformation, the rebellion against the corruption of the RCC, and they were of course right to rebel against that corruption. Just imagine how terrible things must have become, for such a rebellion to ever take place?
Even our own Founding Fathers acknowledge in the Declaration of Independence:
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“Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes;
AND ACCORDINGLY all experience hath shewn that mankind ARE MORE DISPOSED TO SUFFER, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.”
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The mistake of the ‘Protestant Reformation’ is found in the very word “Reform”.
Can anyone name even a single large institution, anywhere in the world — in the HISTORY of the world — which, once having become corrupt, was EVER successfully ‘reformed’?
If it had ever been successfully accomplished before, we would know about it, and if it has never been successfully accomplished before, it never will be.
There is no new thing under the sun. (cf. Ecclesiastes 1:9-11)
What was needed was not ‘reform’.
What was needed is a “RESTORATION”, a RETURN to first principles. What was needed was to THROW OUT all the doctrines, commandments and traditions of men, and go back to the plain language of God’s Word.
Earlier I talked about the concept of an ‘unbroken chain’, a concept that men use to make us think we need to belong to one particular ‘church’ or another, whichever one can establish a credible claim of being ‘open for business since the founding’, so to speak.
The books of the New Testament were written during a relatively short period of time, beginning sometime after the Resurrection (circa 33 AD) and concluding around 95 AD when Revelation was written. During that time, error was corrected by the disciples and Apostles of Christ, by His Authority, which was confirmed by ‘signs and wonders’.
So to find an example of a BROKEN CHAIN, we can see examples in the Old Testament, where there are at least two examples of God’s people falling away from God, and no longer keeping His Word — or even knowing what His Word said. (see Nehemiah 8:1-18 and 2 Kings 22:1-20 and again in Chronicles 34:14-33)
God’s Word was found, and given to the king, who caused it to be read to ALL the People, and the People repented and turned back to God, and God turned to them again.
The ‘chain’ had been broken, and God’s relationship with His people was RESTORED when the People found His Word and obeyed it.
Why wouldn’t that very same thing work today?
It would, and it does.
If you find people who do all things according to God’s Word, then there you will find a congregation of God’s people.
Will the church of which they are members be called after some man (e.g., Luther), or after some system (e.g., Methodism), or after a country (e..g. the church of England), or after some religion found nowhere in God’s Word (e.g., Roman Catholicism)?
Or will it be called after the pattern and example given in God’s Word?
How is the Lord’s church referred to in Scripture?
It’s a good question, isn’t it?
The Lord’s church is referred to in Scripture in several ways, by glorifying God the Father or Christ the Son:
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church of the Firstborn: “To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,” (Hebrews 12:23, KJV)
church of God: “Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:” (1 Corinthians 1:2)
church of Christ: “Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.” (Romans 16:16) Now consider how nearly all (but NOT all!) churches today have a ‘proper’ or ‘corporate’ name, and don’t even reference God the Father or Christ the Son, much less glorify the Lord?
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The word “of” denotes ownership.
Now consider how nearly all (but NOT all!) churches today have a ‘proper’ or ‘corporate’ name, and don’t even acknowledge God the Father or Christ the Son’s ownership, much less glorify the Lord.
For example, who does ‘The Church of England’ belong to, and who (or what) does it glorify?
The word ‘of’ is a preposition denoting origin or ownership, e.g., ‘church of God’, ‘church of the Firstborn’, ‘church of Christ’.
So what is ‘The Church of England’?
And what does ‘The Church of England’ glorify by its name?
Is it not England?
But who (or Who) died on the cross for our sins?
Did England die for our sins?
The church is ‘the body’ (Col 1:18) and Christ is the Head of the body (Col 1:18, Ephesians 5:23), and Christ is the savior of the body (Ephesians 5:23).
WHICH body?
His body, i.e., His church… or some OTHER body (i.e., some other church)?
Is Christ the savior of some OTHER body besides His church, the one revealed to us in Scripture, the church which honors and glorifies God the Father or Christ the Son?
I am not picking on the Church of England, if anything, I am holding a blue pill and a red pill, and asking anyone with ears to hear, would you like to go back to sleep, or see how far this rabbit hole goes?
Because it goes far, but (and) not far. It is easy to understand, if we want to.
Pick a Protestant church, for example the Luthern Church (and yes, I have dear friends who are Luthern). Who does ‘The Luthern Church’ glorify? Is it not Luther? Did Luther not warn his followers not to call themselves after him — but they did so anyway?
Can Luther save us? Or only Christ?
And if Christ, then should we be members of Christ’s church… or Luther’s?
Please understand, I am not questioning anyone’s faith. It is about what God’s Word plainly says, and what it doesn’t say, and the implications thereof, to the honest heart and the honest mind. It is about truth.
How about ‘The Roman Catholic Church’? Who (or what) does that glorify?
Is it not Rome?
Is it not right there in the title?
Was England crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Rome… or Luther? It is only a variation on an ancient question:
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“Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?” (1 Cor 1:13) ……………………….
Unity in Christ, and unity among congregations of Christians, can only be found by following the only source of Authority which all Christians everywhere recognize: the inspired Word of God.
Find people who practice and follow God’s Word, and there you will find the Lord’s church.
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Be well, Neon.
I hope you keep searching, that you will find what you began looking for.
If you ask the right questions, and keep at it, you will find it.
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“That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:” (Acts 17:27, KJV)
“Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:” (Matthew 7:7)
“Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.” (Revelation 3:20)
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If I’m not mistaken, you just implied about the same thing that I said, when I stated that Neon ignored the documented Christian churches that have always existed separate from the hierarchical churches that allied themselves to governments. (Except I didn’t provide so much to read through.) I find it surprising that Neon does not see that hierarchical churches aligned and allied to governments are not inherently corrupt and heretical.
As a baptist, though, I’ve never heard of the Standard Baptist Manual. I assume that this is something adopted by the evangelical baptists in the US, as opposed to those Baptists denominations that never went ‘evangelical’ in the early 1800s.
I have been following you for about a year Neon. I have always appreciated your dedication and quest for truth. But ur kinda bein a dick. His post was pretty insightful, and made me think about where my spirituality comes from. I know you said you weren’t here to have this dicussion right now, but it might seem tl;dr, but it is a good, tbought provoking post. First comment, btw.
No, I’m not.
If you put a sign on your home that says “No solicitations” and then someone comes up, rings your doorbell, and tries to sell you a new vacuum cleaner… you have every right to shut the door in their face.
Because the solicitor who ignored the sign was the one actually being a dick.
I said very clearly I wasn’t interested in talking about this subject. At all.
Mostly because people have very strong feelings on this subject – but not very strong thinking on this subject.
In my experience most Prots have checked their brains out at the door. Just reading his first couple of lines in his post was enough to make me roll my eyes and shut the door in his face – because he literally has no clue what he’s talking about – just a bunch of talking points he’s regurgitating.
And I can waste five hours of my time writing a line-by-line dissection of his piece… and he’ll still be too dumb to understand it.
Seriously, his whole ecclesiology and sotierology is just idiotic. Typical Prot pablum.
Sorry, I’m just not interested, and I really have no interest in trying to explain why I’m not interested. AT ALL.
I don’t know how much clearer I can be.
This is really a blind spot for Prots, who think they are all-seeing when they’re really not; who think they have Christianity, “real” Christianity, right, when really – they literally don’t know how anemic their belief system actually is.
So no, I wasn’t being a dick. That was all Scott.
Neon memed: “Didn’t read LOL”
Then it wasn’t meant for you
But others did read, so it was meant for them 🙂
Sorry, you really don’t know what you’re talking about. You just regurgitated a bunch of stereotypical Prot retardation, and I just don’t have the time to respond and tell you why each line is wrong. I did read, but honestly, it was all so stupid / ahistorical / and poorly-informed, I couldn’t believe it.
Accuse me of being hard-hearted whatever, but you really won’t understand until you have some kind of crisis of faith, where you realize the things you believe right now are fundamentally broken at some level – and you need to seek deeper, better, stronger answers.
I had such an experience a long time ago. You may never experience that, as some people stay comfortably deluded their whole lives, to such an extent that they never realize they’re in error to begin with.
Your errors are there – literally everywhere – but if I tried to explain them to you, you probably wouldn’t see them, because you’d have trouble fitting them in to your already wrong-headed mental framework.
So it’s literally just a poor, frustrating use of my time. I could literally waste hours here, and I just can’t be arsed to do that right now.
So please, next time respect my request not to talk about this subject. If I hang a sign on my door that says “No solicitations” and you come up and try to sell me something, you’re the one in the wrong; not me.
Respect the sign next time.
Too bad, it was the best ever comment on this site
No, it was just more ahistoric Prot retardation. Just his opening lines told me he had no real idea what he was talking about beyond regurgitated Prot talking points which won’t stand up to scrutiny, but which… I honestly can’t be bothered to entertain right now.
And this answers for me as to why Q says: Israel is last. The core of the 3 Abraham religions will be exposed for having been infiltrated and manipulated to effect many, many misunderstandings, replete with bible trash talk and mind control. You are brilliant Neon!
Baptists have a “church covenant,” ; methodists say the Affirmation of faith(apostles’ creed); but these are extraneous just like all the mumbo jumbo of the Catholics. All we need is the “sincere milk of the word”.
All this hoopla, and Christ said it with beautiful simplicity, “I am the vine and you are the branches. Abide in me.”
That is an epic piece of work Neon.
I’d say send it to the key members of congress, but I doubt they have the attention span required to understand it.
If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I am not of the body,” is it therefore not of the body? – 1 Corinthians 12:15 (NKJV)
For we know in part and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away. – 1 Corinthians 13:9-10 (NKJV)
But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. – 2 Corinthians 11:3 (NKJV)
The problem with Orthodoxy is that it ignores the fractal nature of material existence, just like the secular manifestations of the same logical constructs in globalism.
Jesus Christ described the Pharisees and scribes as “whitewashed tombs”, outwardly beautiful and attractive, but inside are only the dead. If you can’t find an Orthodox church that is “alive”, then the parallels are right in front of you, and you just don’t want to see them.
Doesn’t mean that anybody else is “more correct”, or “less ignorant”, or has it all figured out, but simply that Orthodoxy isn’t 100% correct, it isn’t perfect, but until you can accept that you’ll keep trying to count the corners on a circle.
Take what is true, realize that you’ll only have a portion of all that is true, and do not presume that because what someone else has doesn’t look like what you have, they’re not a part of the same puzzle.
There are many who don’t belong, but you can’t identify them just because they’re different.
Excellent article, so much detailed info! I have 2 questions if you would please answer. 1) What is the evidence that Fusion is a CIA front-group? 2) What is the evidence that Manafort was planted by Tony Podesta in 2015?
Abide by the 10 Commandments and avoid the 7 Deadly Sins; a good start, regardless of what one claims to know about tradition or religion.
If I meet someone who can’t, the very least do that, I don’t give a shit what they think.
If ever I come across someone who tells me they don’t believe in “God” I simply ask them which one of the 10 Commandments they disagree with. Their answer reveals their true nature…
You will know them by their actions.
Dumb, but ok.
Ukraine Church is not recognised by the 4 major Otodox Churches: Russia, Bulgaria, Serbia and Greace. Macedonia tried to do something similar years ago after the fall of Yogolslavia but it’s churches around the world remain illegal. Macrdonia-artificial country. Ex bulgarian territory with 99% bulgarian population according to the Otoman Empire archives(XVIII century). Remember that Scripal close friend of Steele and the “main” source, wanted to return to Russia and expose the dossie. Brits poisoned him trying to kill but failed and blamed Russia. Putin and Q-team (Trump) are the main players in Ukraine. And Russia is the Big one. Q team helps. Overall religion is poison for your mind. Stay away from any. You are the God and the Creator is your Father. But the Caball wants you devided even in the religion-hence creating multiple “christ religions”.
Lee Stranahan is an expert on the Chalupas. Check him out if you are honestly interested.
Is that you in the gif meme?
That can’t be good for your back, Neon.
And your pants are too short.
Nice pad, though
Hi Neon, I just wanted to correct a few misconceptions you have about the Ukraine. Currently, the common language spoken there is Russian, not Ukrainian. Schools teach in Russian and therefore a lot of Ukrainian families have switched over to speaking Russian at home. My best friend is from the Ukraine (came over with her family to Canada in the 90’s) and they speak Russian at home…her Ukrainian is actually very rusty and her younger sister doesn’t speak any.
Also, Russia didn’t annex Crimea. Crimea had traditionally been a part of Russia for over 200 years, however it was given to the Ukraine as a gesture of solidarity during the USSR. However the agreement was that Russia could maintain its military base there and have up to 25,000 soldiers stationed there.
When the recent coup in the Ukraine occurred, the people of Crimea panicked and held a referendum where 97% voted to become part of Russia again. The people had traditionally been Russian in ancestry. At the time Russia had 15,000 troops stationed there already. They did not move extra troops in to Crimea…that was a lie by Western media.
Great article, love your work.
Just one small point worth considering. The entire dossier/plot against Trump is NOT a pure Democrat/Clinton/Ukrainian project. It can’t be stressed enough that Republicans financed the start of the operation and Republicans in various think tanks have been involved and are desperate to remove Trump. If attention isn’t squarely focussed on this, there is a danger that bad actors remain in place on the political right.
Secondly, (and this hadn’t really come out when you wrote this but it is well worth an update) evidence of the depth of `The Crown’s” involvement in the Russia hoax and the dossier is now undeniable. In my opinion this is the bombshell that is going to shock the world, that “The Crown” is still deeply embedded and a major agent of influence in the US. At worst it may well become clear that the deep state is in fact “The Crown”.
*The Crown refers to the British/Commonwealth establishment that surrounds the British Royal family.
Certainly Australia, Canada and NZ are still firmly part of the ‘Commonwealth’ which is the group of nations that once were outposts of the British empire. They are also together with the UK and US the nations that share intel under the ‘5 eyes’ treaty. But, it is important to note that if loyalties were tested Australia and NZ would line up with the Commonwealth as opposed to the US. This is because their constitutions name the Queen as their nominal head of state (although the Queens representative or Governor General rarely intervenes in political issues and serves as a rubber stamp to make legislation law and elections legally held etc). Canada is a weird combination of being in some ways closer to The Crown (Justin Trudeau swears allegiance to Queen during inauguration, Australia and NZ PM’s swear to the Constitution). Also I know less about Canada’s sytems.
But the point is, the world may be about to learn that various high level US deep staters owe loyalty, are agents of and have been doing the bidding of The Crown in this illegal coup against Trump. Now that will be the biggest bombshell since 1776.
Oh yes I meant to include reference to this and just saw Gina’s comment above;
“Excellent article, so much detailed info! I have 2 questions if you would please answer. 1) What is the evidence that Fusion is a CIA front-group? 2) What is the evidence that Manafort was planted by Tony Podesta in 2015?”
Not sure about the Fusion/CIA connection do you have something proving this?
Manafort was implanted into Trump’s campaign due to `uniparty’ RINO’s fabricating a “delegate crisis” in the lead up to the Republican primary. They lied to Trump and said some PACS and states wouldn’t release delegates to him and may look for another candidate during the convention. This was a crock. But during this manufactured crisis multiple people mentioned Manaforts long history of bundling delegates in prior Republican primaries and Trump took him on purely for that task, but gave him a Campaign Manager title anyway.
As we now know Manafort was implanted to further the smear plot coming down the line. But it must never be forgotten that significant numbers of Republicans are complicit in setting the stage for this to take place. They did this knowingly as far as I can see.
I just another comment explaining how cuck Republicans fabricated a delegate crisis to install Manafort into Trump’s campaign. I quoted Gina above and it may have been flagged…